ogben.....in my area (eastbourne)my pda kept losing the satilites,and it was a pain in the jacksey having to set it up all the time,lovley bit of kit though just to technical for me,so hence why i bought an idiot proof sat nav,turn on and away you go,i sold my xda on e-bay with all the kit so i cant help you with the holder im afraid. vr6(that reminds me of someone :lol: )thanx ive already got that info regards gregers