I'm sorry but where does the we come from .... :lol: Please be aware that some of us only have to beat Italy at home to qualify for Europe and are not relying on others to do it for us. Yeh ok, we got stuffed in the rugby a while back...............but that's not the point...........well ok maybe it is.. However you should be aware that there is a multicultural spread of people reading this forum and we are not all English. There are Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Scandanavian, German, French and if the pubs are shut, scousers as well.