well i had a phone call this afternoon from the so called experts who said to me WELL YOU DO KNOW IT WONT COME ON UNTIL ITS 5 DEGREES holy shit batman the experts dont even know :huh: :o :lol: ,so i enlightened him a bit,and even pointed him in the direction of this forum if he was having a bit of trouble in fixing these things,they will get back to me............mmmmmm wonder how long that will take :D