IIRC the last time Ivor posted he did mention that he had changed his employment and would not have as much time to devote to the forum. As for the other two I dont know about MO4's avatars scaring them away, more likely they got fed up with trying to type with ONE hand while they were looking at them!! nudge, nudge, wink, wink, if you know what I mean..... :ph34r: :ph34r: :( :( Andy.