on the subject of the Frappr map I have to say that I would agree with you, its annoying habit of logging you on to a chatroom as soon as you logged in and looked at the map limited my visits somewhat. I did find however that you could zoom and nudge the pins into the correct position. My main dismay was felt however when Shane?? took it on himself to remove all the pins of all those members who had bothered to add themselves (far more than for the gti thingy club he was also keen on) presumably in an attempt to gain praise with those on the new site. A typically thoughtless act (sorry speck - who added himself the other day) which I hope, given his day job isn't mirrored there :lol: