sniper Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 Went to the dealer's parts department this morning, only to find that not only did 'relay 30' seemingly mean nothing to them, the diagrams on their computer system don't show it either! After a bit of clicking around, the relay marked R27 was indeed the one we were looking for - it is the 'power relay' - it supplies the power to the injectors etc. The relay directly below it (number 167) is the actual fuel pump relay. Anyway, I ordered both - will hopefully have them tomorrow. Meanwhile, I did some more checks - like making sure that fuse 14 (20A) was ok - it feeds both the relays. When I turn the ignition key, although some of the relays are clearly operating, I can't hear the fuel pump priming, and the door LED starts flashing continuously. I'm hoping these are all symptoms of the power/pump relay problems described here and elsewhere. Quote
owlsman Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 Hi, my Galaxy decided not to start this morning for the first time! No idea what the problem could be, I dont have a clue when it comes to cars, so any help would be great. My friend has had a quick look, he said the spark looks a bit dim but it is sparking, the fuel is coming though, its turning over but just no firing up. Its a 2.3 ghia 2001 (X) plate. Thanks peeps. Quote
frogeye Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 You really ought to have started your own thread - but saying that this one has such universal appeal that it warrants being resurfaced! What is the LED in the driver's door doing when this is failing to start? If it is flashing manically, then relay 30 is very likely the culprit. I'm sure there is a link between heavy rainfall and relay 30 failures!! Frogeye Quote
owlsman Posted December 11, 2009 Report Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='frogeye' post='148161' date='Dec 7 2009, 23:58:43']You really ought to have started your own thread - but saying that this one has such universal appeal that it warrants being resurfaced! What is the LED in the driver's door doing when this is failing to start? If it is flashing manically, then relay 30 is very likely the culprit. I'm sure there is a link between heavy rainfall and relay 30 failures!! Frogeye[/quote] Hi, I got a diagnostic guy the om Tuesday (havent had the time to get on here) I had gassed it up How stoooopid do I feel now!! Thanks for your input, I will keep an eye out for the 30 problem! Quote
lordmike Posted January 23, 2010 Report Posted January 23, 2010 thankyou to all who have took the time to post some real useful imformation,on this site it really has helped,me with my ford galaxy 1,9tdi keep up the good work lads u should be proud... uve helped alot of people out!!!!.. AND SAVED PEOPLE LOADS OF MONEY,BIG TIME!!!!!!!!! THANKS.............. Quote
lordmike Posted January 23, 2010 Report Posted January 23, 2010 [quote name='sniper' post='141280' date='May 18 2009, 16:38:14']After removing the fuse cover on the driver's side, removed the 4 screws. [img]http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/451/screwsi.jpg[/img] Then with a screwdriver pushed in the gap in the fascia, unclip it. There are 2 of these on the rhs of the steering column, and one on the left. [img]http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2715/clipsa.jpg[/img] There is also a kind of plastic 'pop rivet' on the rhs next to the door pillar. Pop it out with a screwdriver, and withdraw fully with some pliers. [img]http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9682/rivet.jpg[/img] The fascia panel is then removed by unclipping the lower left side by pulling towards the door, and then lowering the panel, unclipping the wiring to the light attached to the panel. To swing the fuse panel up/out, after pulling the white clips on the side forwards, I found it easiest to then lever the round pins (that the white clips were clipped over) up/out with a screwdriver. Once the panel started swinging forward, I noted that a few of the tie-wraps needed clipping to allow proper access to the panel. The clips to release the 'level 2' relay panel are tucked away at the top of the panel and need to be pushed out (simultaneously) to allow the panel to unhook. Again, there was a tie-wrap holding up progress. Finally, I clapped eyes on relay 30: [img]http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3221/relay.jpg[/img][/quote] Quote
lordmike Posted January 23, 2010 Report Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) [quote name='lordmike' post='149702' date='Jan 23 2010, 12:40:35'][quote name='sniper' post='141280' date='May 18 2009, 16:38:14']After removing the fuse cover on the driver's side, removed the 4 screws. [img]http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/451/screwsi.jpg[/img] Then with a screwdriver pushed in the gap in the fascia, unclip it. There are 2 of these on the rhs of the steering column, and one on the left. [img]http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2715/clipsa.jpg[/img] There is also a kind of plastic 'pop rivet' on the rhs next to the door pillar. Pop it out with a screwdriver, and withdraw fully with some pliers. [img]http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9682/rivet.jpg[/img] The fascia panel is then removed by unclipping the lower left side by pulling towards the door, and then lowering the panel, unclipping the wiring to the light attached to the panel. To swing the fuse panel up/out, after pulling the white clips on the side forwards, I found it easiest to then lever the round pins (that the white clips were clipped over) up/out with a screwdriver. Once the panel started swinging forward, I noted that a few of the tie-wraps needed clipping to allow proper access to the panel. The clips to release the 'level 2' relay panel are tucked away at the top of the panel and need to be pushed out (simultaneously) to allow the panel to unhook. Again, there was a tie-wrap holding up progress. Finally, I clapped eyes on relay 30: [img]http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3221/relay.jpg[/img][/quote] [/quote] this, sniper member is a ledgand!!!!!!!!!!! cheers m8!!!!!!!!! Edited January 23, 2010 by lordmike Quote
simonashley Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Gone to the Galaxy tonight and it wont start, its been raining alot recently as well so looking through the site i'm begining to assume relay 30, ive had the AA on the drive for 2 hours trying to suss it out with no joy, could be a relay some were he said scratching his head, must admit he gave it a really good shot and when he bipassed the overhead manifold sprocket with a wire the car started cranking but wouldnt fire as the plugs werent sparking he said He seemed to think it was to do with immobiliser and asked if i hadchanged the key recently or had it to bits, after checking it he found the chip inside. The strange thing is the car will sporadically crank once every so often but will not fire. Think i might have a go at relay 30 tomorrow or do i let the garage do it Quote
David Armstrong Posted March 23, 2010 Report Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) Graham, I have a 2001 Galaxy 2.3 which I have owned since 2003, I have had occasional problems sometimes only once or twice a year when the car wouldn't start. The last few weeks this has happened more and more so after reading your excellent post at lunchtime picked up relay 30 using the part number supplied in your post and spent half an hour changing it over as described. The relay cost me Edited March 23, 2010 by David Armstrong Quote
daviddawkins Posted August 10, 2010 Report Posted August 10, 2010 Hello Graham, Thank you so Much for this! It really helped me, Much appricated! Kind regards, David Dawkins, Germany Quote
daviddawkins Posted August 10, 2010 Report Posted August 10, 2010 Thank you, This really helped me today!!! Brill!!!! Kind regards, David Germany. Quote
reZon Posted November 4, 2010 Report Posted November 4, 2010 Thanks! I pulling out and then pulling down relay 30, after this all symptoms are gone. Now i will order new relay. This is most value manual about relay 30 in the internet. From Russia with love =) Nikita. Quote
galaxy-one Posted November 4, 2010 Report Posted November 4, 2010 Thanks grahamm & sniper I have started another another topic based on this at [url="http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.php?showtopic=21440"]Relay 30 Dry Joint - Problem Solved?[/url] with a possible solution for some people. Thanks again guys for getting me going. Quote
P Russell Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Brilliant - an extremely useful bit of info on this job. Haynes manual doesn't even mention how to get at the relays. Thanks a bunch for this, very helpful. Quote
Bob1 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 Thank You guys for these very useful hints. Yesterday my Galaxy -97 Ghia petrol automatic decided not to start anymore. The led in the drivers door did the crazy blinking when turning the key. Today, after reading Your posts, I got curious and decided to check relay 30. The complete darkness outside and temperature below -20C was not so inviting, but within two hours I had my pearl back in business again. The relay needed the soldering fix, so no costs for spare parts. THANKS AGAIN!! Quote
mbairstow79 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Posted March 14, 2011 hi im new to this site and just wounderin on my galaxy td would the broke relay swith(30) cause the battery to go flat over night thanks Quote
leonie Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 thank you , you are a god ,i have managed to save my adored galaxy and myself alot of money , as a newbie and a female i didnt hold out much hope but following your instructions i have managed to replace the beast which is relay 30 and now my angel is running perfectly ,anyone out there thinking i'll take it to a garage don't cos if i can do it anyone can and it only cost me Quote
Thierry Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 hello I have a 2003 Galaxy Trend 105 diesel, with the same intermittent problemes of starting first, now never starts. I reached the level 3 fuse, but I can find no relay 30 ! only 100, 103, 109 and a green 30A fuse ( made in Dominican Republic). Can you help me, what should replace ? Thanks a lot. Thierry,France Quote
chrispb123456 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 Hi Thierry Welcome to the forum Relay 30 is the power relay for petrol engined varients, the diesel equivilent is relay 109. 109 can give you intermittant starting problems so change this one first, the VW part number is, 1J 0906381A Quote
Metalliblob Posted October 24, 2011 Report Posted October 24, 2011 Many thanks for this excellent guide. Had the same problem as many others, although intermittent it was becoming a right pain. Got the old relay out and replaced. Cured! Took the old relay apart and it had a poor joint, didn't look like it ever had enough solder on. Poor manufacturing as usual. THANK YOU! Quote
gsxrgrowler Posted October 24, 2011 Report Posted October 24, 2011 Hi Replaced the relay this Saturday Gone Today the Gal cut out twice Anyone got any other ideas please Regards Bryan Quote
Pemo Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Thank you! Would have been lost without this. I made a PDF file with the pictures in it to avoid running to and from the PC. You can download it here: [url="http://www.foldberg.com/relay30.pdf"]Relay30.pdf[/url]Peter. Edited January 21, 2012 by Pemo Quote
Pemo Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 There's your problem! Thanks again![attachment=5834:relay30-soldering.jpg] Quote
markey75 Posted July 9, 2012 Report Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the great guide, however when I rang Ford they had no clue what Relay 30 was and were less than helpful, they told me to ring Bosch or some other Relay Manufacturer. When I took out the relay I noticed it had VW and audi symbols stamped on it and the number - 165 906 381. Ebay give alot of used results for that part number as Relay 30, however I phoned my local VW garage who were very helpful and ordered one in for me tomorrow. BTW part is £13 + VAT from VW Edited July 9, 2012 by markey75 Quote
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