Door Locks

[Joe Senior]

I am locked out of my Ford Galaxy if i turn the key in the passenger door lock i can hear the central locking working but it wont unlock ? the drivers door barrel is just spinning, the boot lock has never worked, can the central locking on the key be reset without entry into the car ? any help here would be much appreciated  

[gregers]

have you tried the passenger lock?

take a look in our faqs found in the technical section of the forum,in here you will find detailed instructions on reprogramming the key fob.

[SilverBeast]

i turn the key in the passenger door lock

 

I think this means he has gregers! :)

[gregers]

ah balls,missed that :wacko:

[Scorpiorefugee]

Just a couple of thoughts.

When did the problem with the driver's door happen and could it be a result of an attempted break in. To have such a succession of door lock problems seems a bit too much of a coincidence. The deadlocking is supposed to be initiated by unlocking and locking in quick succession on some models. Since the unlocking by way of a key is mechanical in case of flat battery it may be worth trying to use the key and door handle in quick succession in case there is something triggering the central lock process as a resukt of the damage to the driver's door. How about trying to get under the bonnet and disconnecting the battery?

A full examination of all preceding events may give a clue.

Edited March 30, 2014 by Scorpiorefugee

[Joe Senior]

I drilled a small hole through the drivers door and pushed the door handle inside the car to open the doors but it still wont open i think the deadlock is on if anyone has any ideas on how to get it off it would be greatly appreciated 

[BrianH]

have a read of this post

http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.php/topic/26444-cant-open-my-drivers-door-door-catch-possibly-stuck-on/

[Joe Senior]

Went through that Brian but unfortunately i am still locked out do you think disconnecting the battery would get the deadlock off its driving me nuts now 

[BrianH]

If you can get to the battery without further damage its worth a try. IMO the galaxy door locks are awful. The spinning round will be due to the paddle bit on the back snapping off - lock repair kits can be found on ebay to fix that if you can get the damn thing to open in the first place. Do you have any sort of remote locking on your keys? if so it might be worth trying changing the battery in that first (take the key to somewhere you can get a battery from and keep the battery out for as short a time as possible then try to see if it will operate the locks after).

 

Otherwise it looks like your down to trying to gain entry to the inside of the car and working from there. Fuse 19 on mine removes the power from the central locking btw so if you can get inside that might be a good place to start.

 

the lock repair kit looks either like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-GALAXY-SHARAN-ALHAMBRA-DOOR-LOCK-REPAIR-KIT-/140480263231?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20b546b43f

 

or this (don't buy this specific one its priced stupidly for some reason)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-GALAXY-SHARAN-ALHAMBRA-DOOR-LOCK-REPAIR-KIT-/130456745529?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGalaxy&hash=item1e5fd3f639

 

They are a dire design as I've come across similar on other cars with the same issue. It seems a common VW issue.....

 

The original issue i'd suspect is down to broken wires in the door loom (another common issue).

[Scorpiorefugee]

If it is not possible to get under the bonnet it may be possible to remove the under tray and put a load onto the 12V feed to the starter to discharge the battery and allow the passenger door lock to open the door. That is if the key will override the mechanical deadlock once there is no battery to reset it. If it doesn't work the battery can be recharged via the same connections to save ruining it.

 

Just suggestions as I haven't had this one. Did you try using the passenger door lock manually while trying to open the door at the same time?

[Joe Senior]

Just a thought will starting the engine override the deadlocking on the doors ? was going to go through the quarter light window ?

[chrispb123456]

I am locked out of my Ford Galaxy if i turn the key in the passenger door lock i can hear the central locking working but it wont unlock ? the drivers door barrel is just spinning, the boot lock has never worked, can the central locking on the key be reset without entry into the car ? any help here would be much appreciated  

Have you tried holding the over in the unlock position (2 or 3 seconds) see if global opening will open the windows or persevere with the boot key turning fully anticlockwise past the normal opening position assuming it's the right key.

Spray some WD40 directly into the key hole may help.

[Joe Senior]

If it is not possible to get under the bonnet it may be possible to remove the under tray and put a load onto the 12V feed to the starter to discharge the battery and allow the passenger door lock to open the door. That is if the key will override the mechanical deadlock once there is no battery to reset it. If it doesn't work the battery can be recharged via the same connections to save ruining it.

 

Just suggestions as I haven't had this one. Did you try using the passenger door lock manually while trying to open the door at the same time?

 

If you can get to the battery without further damage its worth a try. IMO the galaxy door locks are awful. The spinning round will be due to the paddle bit on the back snapping off - lock repair kits can be found on ebay to fix that if you can get the damn thing to open in the first place. Do you have any sort of remote locking on your keys? if so it might be worth trying changing the battery in that first (take the key to somewhere you can get a battery from and keep the battery out for as short a time as possible then try to see if it will operate the locks after).

 

Otherwise it looks like your down to trying to gain entry to the inside of the car and working from there. Fuse 19 on mine removes the power from the central locking btw so if you can get inside that might be a good place to start.

 

the lock repair kit looks either like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-GALAXY-SHARAN-ALHAMBRA-DOOR-LOCK-REPAIR-KIT-/140480263231?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20b546b43f

 

or this (don't buy this specific one its priced stupidly for some reason)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-GALAXY-SHARAN-ALHAMBRA-DOOR-LOCK-REPAIR-KIT-/130456745529?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGalaxy&hash=item1e5fd3f639

 

They are a dire design as I've come across similar on other cars with the same issue. It seems a common VW issue.....

 

The original issue i'd suspect is down to broken wires in the door loom (another common issue).

Think its the paddles on the back of the door locks thats snapped right enough as when turning the key in any of the locks now there is no sound of the central locking moving ? still dont know if starting the engine through the ignition will override the deadlock setting on it any help with this question would be much appreciated 

[jim prong]

A couple of things come to mind.

 

I have a 2002 diesel 1.9. I know that if you remove the door handle/lock there is just a slotted hole in the mechanism which you can turn with a screwdriver. When I do this it operates the central locking mechanism. You won't be able to remove the door handle, but if you sacrifice the barrel mechanism by drilling it out, you can then use a screwdriver to turn the mechanism and open the doors. Buy a cheap wireless central locking kit from eBay (less than a tenner) fit that and seal up the lock you've drilled out. If you have any questions about fitting, PM me. Its a twenty minute job.

 

Second method is a bit more technical and not so brutal, although it might involve breaking a lens cover. I've done this on a Vauxhall and there is a similar fix for a Ford / VW, although I've never had to use it.

 

You need to energise the ignition circuit, this was done on the Vauxhall by putting 12v+ on a break light +ve, from an external battery, and connecting the battery negative to earth. You then check that the ignition light is on, and if it is, whack the accident inertia switch ( I don't have my Haines manual with me so I don't know where it is), this will do several things, like cutting off the fuel supply and also popping the central locking.

 

It is important to check that the inertia switch does not also operate the SRS airbags.

 

If you can get under the bonnet you can do a similar job without breaking a break light lens.

 

You will have to reset the switch before you can drive the car. 

 

I'll have a look at my Haines book and post an update, and more info later.

 

Good luck.

Pete

[Scorpiorefugee]

Jim Prong,

 

That all sound like the voice of bitter experience. All very interesting and I hope it helps. It does seem odd that all of the locks have failed together. I'm just wondering if the battery has failed as nothing has been said to indicate either way. No mention either of the LED on the driver's door. May be a clue there.

[jim prong]

Jim Prong,

 

That all sound like the voice of bitter experience. All very interesting and I hope it helps. It does seem odd that all of the locks have failed together. I'm just wondering if the battery has failed as nothing has been said to indicate either way. No mention either of the LED on the driver's door. May be a clue there.

Actually It was a very quick fix on the Astra GSI I had. Took my son and I about a quarter of an hour. 

 

Its academic anyhow as the switch on the Astra was accessible on a cross member under the car, but on the Galaxy its under the passenger seat inside the car, so tripping it might be difficult.

 

It could be the battery. I'm not sure if you can lock or unlock the doors with a flat battery, but I might try later if the rain stops.

Edited April 3, 2014 by jim prong

[Joe Senior]

the led on the drivers door is still flashing and ive never had any problems with the battery weather is horrendous here so i'll have a try at the latest suggestions when it calms down and post the results thanks again guys 

[Scorpiorefugee]

I think it should be a safety requirement to be able to unlock doors with a flat or disconnected battery but then common sense in designers is always several years behind what is obvious to most normal people.

[Joe Senior]

Right guys i'm back in the car, i took the front quarter light window out put my hand through the gap and started the engine and the doors opened BUT the alarm wont go off ? the hazards and horn keep sounding off ? i've taken the No. 54  fuse out for the anti theft and alarm but that only stops the horn going off the hazards still flash and the led on the door still flashes so again has anyone any idea how to get it off completely, i tried disconnecting the battery for 5 mins but that did'nt work ?

[Scorpiorefugee]

You don't give up easily do you.

 

I think you should now be looking at the door lock switches and/or associated wiring because that seems to be where it all started.

[Joe Senior]

Once the weather clears up i'll pull the doors apart its to wet here just now. strange thing is even though the alarm is sounding off it only goes through 2 cycles before stopping and the car can still be driven with no further problems until i open the drivers door ? i had thought that there was an immobiliser attached to the alarm but obviously not, i keep posting the updates incase it helps anyone else who may come across the same problem

[BrianH]

I don't know enough to state this for sure, but its very possible that the alarm and immobilisers are separate systems. To compound the problem it seems some of the manuals/lists available of the fuses are wrong as well (eg mine has the central locking on fuse 19. The manual that came with it shows something completely different.

 

Now your in definitely start looking at the wiring as the first thing, The remote locking kit once you get the rest of the locking working acceptably is a good idea, although it would be sensible to ensure you can still open at least one of the doors with a key (to cover battery going flat etc).

 

The immoboliser only works off the pats chip inside the key - all cars made for some time now need to have this (I think since around 1998) 

Edited April 6, 2014 by BrianH

[Scorpiorefugee]

I think the only reliable information available is that for the versions with all VAG engines etc. so it can be hard work to find your way around these. From what I can remember about the MKI and MKII I had the deadlocking was automatic irrespective of key or remote locking and since you seem to have suffered from permanent deadlocking and that is tied up with sensors on the locks that may be a good place to start especially if the drivers door lock was wrecked by an attempted break in. I do know that when some low life broke in by breaking the driver's window, they couldn't get in and I only use key locking. They wrecked the door lock but fortunately the passenger's side was undamaged. I simply swapped lock barrels and left the useless one in the passenger's door.

I hope that helps and good luck.