Aux Heater

[Bigjeeze]

Bloody typical - My Aux heater packed up yesterday - today we have 4 ins of snow !!. I have ordered new glow plugs ( one for my MK2 and one for my spare heater) so if the postman can get here then I might just be able to fit the damn thing to get the heater working again!!!

[billywizzo]

Bloody typical - My Aux heater packed up yesterday - today we have 4 ins of snow !!. I have ordered new glow plugs ( one for my MK2 and one for my spare heater) so if the postman can get here then I might just be able to fit the damn thing to get the heater working again!!!

 

Hi

where did you order the plug from and how much.

The plug i fitted at the start of the year has failed.No aux heater during this cold snap.

I am trying to find out the number for the newer glow plug but i am not sure with one it is.

I have a 2002 galaxy and fitted a GH001 last time but didnt last a year.

Anyone knoe the correct number for my heater.

Cheers

[Bigjeeze]

Bloody typical - My Aux heater packed up yesterday - today we have 4 ins of snow !!. I have ordered new glow plugs ( one for my MK2 and one for my spare heater) so if the postman can get here then I might just be able to fit the damn thing to get the heater working again!!!

 

Hi

where did you order the plug from and how much.

The plug i fitted at the start of the year has failed.No aux heater during this cold snap.

I am trying to find out the number for the newer glow plug but i am not sure with one it is.

I have a 2002 galaxy and fitted a GH001 last time but didnt last a year.

Anyone knoe the correct number for my heater.

Cheers

 

 

I ordered them from AVS (2 glowplugs total

[gregers]

im awaiting 1 aswell,i ordered mine from ,

avs car parts.

[chrispb123456]

Bloody typical - My Aux heater packed up yesterday - today we have 4 ins of snow !!. I have ordered new glow plugs ( one for my MK2 and one for my spare heater) so if the postman can get here then I might just be able to fit the damn thing to get the heater working again!!!

 

Hi

where did you order the plug from and how much.

The plug i fitted at the start of the year has failed.No aux heater during this cold snap.

I am trying to find out the number for the newer glow plug but i am not sure with one it is.

I have a 2002 galaxy and fitted a GH001 last time but didnt last a year.

Anyone knoe the correct number for my heater.

Cheers

Hi the updated glow plug for your year is Beru. 0100,226,340 which replaced 0100,226,228 although it was mentioned on here that you can fit a glow pin with wires attached which means adapting wiring on internal plug

[sotal]

Hi the updated glow plug for your year is Beru. 0100,226,340 which replaced 0100,226,228 although it was mentioned on here that you can fit a glow pin with wires attached which means adapting wiring on internal plug

 

Yes, you know if you've got the 'right' plug if the wires are fixed on, the old ones where you bolt the wires on are known for only lasting 12 months. I'll try and dig out the part number for the revised plug, but I was told about it a couple of years ago from someone in the trade - I went to Ford and they knew exactly what I was on about and ordered the correct but slightly expensive plug in for me. Also available from VW but it was a pound or so more at the time at VW. Slightly harder to fit as you have to prise the old pins out of the plug and push the new ones in, not exactly rocket science though

[George106]

Yes, you know if you've got the 'right' plug if the wires are fixed on, the old ones where you bolt the wires on are known for only lasting 12 months. I'll try and dig out the part number for the revised plug, but I was told about it a couple of years ago from someone in the trade - I went to Ford and they knew exactly what I was on about and ordered the correct but slightly expensive plug in for me. Also available from VW but it was a pound or so more at the time at VW. Slightly harder to fit as you have to prise the old pins out of the plug and push the new ones in, not exactly rocket science though

 

I dug out VW part number of revised glow plug (ceramic) which is 7M3 963 319A and cost me

[gregers]

so even with the revised plug it still only lasted a year?

[Bigjeeze]

Hi the updated glow plug for your year is Beru. 0100,226,340 which replaced 0100,226,228 although it was mentioned on here that you can fit a glow pin with wires attached which means adapting wiring on internal plug

 

Yes, you know if you've got the 'right' plug if the wires are fixed on, the old ones where you bolt the wires on are known for only lasting 12 months. I'll try and dig out the part number for the revised plug, but I was told about it a couple of years ago from someone in the trade - I went to Ford and they knew exactly what I was on about and ordered the correct but slightly expensive plug in for me. Also available from VW but it was a pound or so more at the time at VW. Slightly harder to fit as you have to prise the old pins out of the plug and push the new ones in, not exactly rocket science though

 

Where has this come from? The one I put it my MK2 ( the one that is now kaput) wasa bought from VW dealer in Poole - it was the bolt on terminal type and was replaced in November 2005 - a tad longer than 12 months. My wife's MK1 went earlier this year and I was lucky enough to get a brand new complete heater off E bay for

[sotal]

 

 

I remain to be convinced that the bolt on terminal type are defective in any way.

 

 

BJ

 

That's your choice!

 

I'm sure not every one of the old type plugs will fail in 12 months but a high proportion did, that is why they brought out the revised plug with the fixed wiring. I found about them from a trained VAG Master Technician, and my local Ford Dealer knew about the update and agreed with it and sold me the updated plug - it cost around

[Bigjeeze]

I remain to be convinced that the bolt on terminal type are defective in any way.

 

 

BJ

 

That's your choice!

 

I'm sure not every one of the old type plugs will fail in 12 months but a high proportion did, that is why they brought out the revised plug with the fixed wiring. I found about them from a trained VAG Master Technician, and my local Ford Dealer knew about the update and agreed with it and sold me the updated plug - it cost around

[Mirez]

Sotal, I'm sorry but you have been misled. The flying lead version is for the later D5WZ-F heater and the bolt on version is for the D5W-Z. Whilst the flying lead version can be made to fit the Z, its not designed for use with it and is not shown as being compatible.

 

The official reason the plugs only last a short period of time is due to the implementation in the 7M platform without provision for heater run-on or quick stop conditions. Nothing at all to do with plug design! The flying lead version lasts longer in the Z-F model purely because the ECU controls it differently, fitting it to the earlier model is highly unlikely to have any benefit.

[billywizzo]

Just changed the glow plug ( GH001 )on my aux heater but it still not starting.

Just lots of smoke out the back.

Vag-com shows it trying to do everything but just wont fire.

Anyone got any ideas where to look next.

 

Cheers

[Bigjeeze]

Just changed the glow plug ( GH001 )on my aux heater but it still not starting.

Just lots of smoke out the back.

Vag-com shows it trying to do everything but just wont fire.

Anyone got any ideas where to look next.

 

Cheers

 

Have you tried leaving it running? After changing the glowplug if you haven't cleaned it out there is usually a lot of smoke as the heater burns off the remaining unburnt fuel.

[billywizzo]

 

Have you tried leaving it running? After changing the glowplug if you haven't cleaned it out there is usually a lot of smoke as the heater burns off the remaining unburnt fuel.

 

When it was running before, i could see the flame monitor temp in Vag-con rise to about 320 degrees but now nothing.

The combustion air blower, glow plug and metering pump all show on and it only starts to smoke then the metering pump turns on but no flame.

That is how i know it is not fireing up.

I am guessing that the smoke is diesel out the exhaust so it is getting fuel.

[sotal]

Sotal, I'm sorry but you have been misled. The flying lead version is for the later D5WZ-F heater and the bolt on version is for the D5W-Z. Whilst the flying lead version can be made to fit the Z, its not designed for use with it and is not shown as being compatible.

 

The official reason the plugs only last a short period of time is due to the implementation in the 7M platform without provision for heater run-on or quick stop conditions. Nothing at all to do with plug design! The flying lead version lasts longer in the Z-F model purely because the ECU controls it differently, fitting it to the earlier model is highly unlikely to have any benefit.

 

Mirez,

 

It was a trained VAG master technician that told me as well as a lot of other people about the benefits of using the 'wired' plug, it's been used by lots of people over the last few years with no reported faults yet, compared to lots of people complaining about there 12 month old 'unwired' plugs failing so it's enough proof for me! It's been common practice to fit that plug for the last few years based on advice from the other galaxy forum.

 

 

Just to add if you read through the many pages in the faq regarding the glow plug you will find quite a few references from people who were advised to use the new style wired plug from their dealer - this is going back to 2005 - so the info has been on this forum for 5 years.

Edited December 3, 2010 by sotal

[billywizzo]

Just been out to the car, removed the intake pipe (just to check it is not blocked) and tried to start the heater.

Still lots of smoke and when refitting the pipe i noticed that there was liquid all over the heater/exhaust join so guess it is getting fuel.

Edited December 3, 2010 by billywizzo

[Mirez]

Unfortunately I hold nearly all main dealers with the same regard, money grabbing liars, so I don't really trust the opinion of your "Vag master technician", however I'm not disbelieving that you've been told it, I'm simply stating the official stance from the manufacturer, Eberspacher (Espar), that the primary cause for glowplug failure is the way the heater was implemented by the VAG group.

 

The trouble with your assumption about complaints and proof is that the D5WZ-F didn't go into production until 2004, but wasn't fitted to Gal's until 2005. its impossible to get a clear result as to the life of the plugs vs age vs volume. The Z was fitted to X>54 plates, where the F was only fitted for a two year (05/55) production window. Couple that with the dwindling sales for 05/55 galaxy's vs the strong early Mk2 sales, factor in the failures due to age and you're bound to have substantially more complaints about the older, more common fitted plug.

 

My final point would be, given the extra revenue to espar, why this new miricle plug wouldn't be listed as being compatible with the Z and/or why a wiring harness adaptor isn't available? Its most likely that they, like me, don't believe there is a benefit to the end consumer.

 

However at the end of the day its individual opinion, you have to fit what you believe to be the best value for money / most reliable, but please don't state it as being the "correct" plug for the heater when its actually a non approved plug from a different model. ;)

[Mirez]

Just to pick up on your additional point, Unfortunately nearly all parts advisors go purely off the date stamps listed on Microcat, which simply lists the year builds the plug fits not the heater model the vehicle actually had fitted at production.

[sotal]

I'd normally agree with your first point but the Master Technician in question is a galaxy owner and very respected on another forum, his advice I would trust.

 

 

With respect to the compaints I'm using people who have replaced their plug either with the older style or the newer style in the older heater, of the many people who have used the newer one I have not seen one complaint, of the lesser amount (on the other forum due to the advice) who have fitted the older style - there has been lots of complaints, it's not enough data to be 100% sure but it certainly paints a good picture!

 

 

Not sure on your logic regarding a wiring harness / adpater. The plug fits the same way as it does on the newer heater, by the removal of two pins and the replacement of the two new pins which come attached to the new plug. The plug even came with instructions showing how to do this. There is no adapter required for the new heater so I don't see why there would be for the older heater?

 

I get your point on the use of the term 'correct', from now on I'll use 'better' ;)

 

 

re: the additional point - I was just showing there had been talk of the newer plug on here before.

 

 

I believe the newer plug is a different material for the element itself which was made to better stand the short trips and rapid heating cooling that the plug is subjected to. You are most likely correct that it was developed for the newer heater rather than the older one, but I expect it was designed to fix the problem they had with the way VAG implemented the heaters, and therefore this newer fix retro fixes the older heater too. The fitment is exactly the same.

Edited December 3, 2010 by sotal

[Mirez]

Well Daz can't know everything ;)

 

As I said though you can only fit what you believe to be the best, but I still think you can't make any comparisons - there are just way too many variables to draw anything conclusive, you don't know why the plugs failed to start with nor the number of short journeys the cars doing, nor the age of the heater, the condition of the battery, the start temperature (outside/garage), the hours of use, the time its been down due to the failure, the type and cleanliness of the diesel, the condition of the air blower, the condition of the aux pump etc, etc.. all things that will have an effect on temperature and therefore the reliability of the plug.

 

I'm not saying you shouldn't fit the newer plug, I just can't see the logic in trying to convince people to spend twice as much on something thats not confirmed to be a "better" replacement and something thats not designed for use with the heater. :)

[gregers]

sotal,

say hello to little daz and everyone else.:)

 

 

so why then did the new plug george fitted only last him a year?

think theres to many variables,

now i know why vw wanted to charge me 60 odd quid for a new glow plug,there obviously punting the new type.

 

there are many peeps who changed them way way back who havnt had to repost on the subject(yet)

so im assuming there booster heaters with the old plugs are working as they should and have lasted more then a year.

 

or is it just a few peeps been unluckey and perhaps there was a bad batch of glow plugs produced??

 

my head hurts,WONDER if this thread will now turn into an epic like the main 1 has? ;)

[sotal]

Daz is good though ;) Hope he doesn't read this he'll get a big head! :)

 

Anyway I've said my bit - I'm convinced - I'll leave it at that for this thread, I take your point if I post on it in the future I will try to offer the advice as an alternative rather than the best thing since sliced bread!

[gregers]

Daz is good though ;) Hope he doesn't read this he'll get a big head! :)

 

that will be a 1st as there are spies everywhere :D:D

[George106]

Daz is good though :) Hope he doesn't read this he'll get a big head! :D

 

that will be a 1st as there are spies everywhere :D:D

 

I have to agree, fitting modified plug wasn't bad idea as mine is still working after multiple testing my heater due to faulty ECU and IMHO old version plug would may not survived this abusing ;) .

 

George

Edited December 4, 2010 by George106