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[wonkydog]

Ladies and gentlemen. I hope that no one takes offence at this post and wish to reach as many people as possible.

I can see that the "Saddam" joke and thread has been removed. Well done the mods.

Perhaps in our Christmas cheer we may have lost the plot to what is "acceptable" in the subjects that we choose to talk about.

We all read the small print before logging on didn't we?

[wonkydog]

Ladies and gentlemen. I hope that no one takes offence at this post and wish to reach as many people as possible.

I can see that the "Saddam" joke and thread has been removed. Well done the mods.

Perhaps in our Christmas cheer we may have lost the plot to what is "acceptable" in the subjects that we choose to talk about.

We all read the small print before logging on didn't we?

 

I like to joke. But how far do we have to push the line before we REALLY can't cross it?

[NikpV]

Ladies and gentlemen. I hope that no one takes offence at this post and wish to reach as many people as possible.

I can see that the "Saddam" joke and thread has been removed. Well done the mods.

Perhaps in our Christmas cheer we may have lost the plot to what is "acceptable" in the subjects that we choose to talk about.

We all read the small print before logging on didn't we?

 

I like to joke. But how far do we have to push the line before we REALLY can't cross it?

 

 

I saw the title and the forum and didn't read it :angry2:

[mumof4]

It was the 5 yr old girls and dog that got me.i have a 5 yr old girl.That is why i moved the thread.it was sick and in very bad taste..considering that 90 percent of us on here have children.

[Guest neil_wiles]

I read the original joke and considered moving it however, I am a breeder of large hunting dogs and found the reference to the incident which is yet unproven to be totally the animals fault ( I wait to be flamed for this) most distasteful not only for me but as M has said for the majority of the members here that have or had children.

 

OK so Saddam was responsible for the deaths of 100,000s of people but we make jokes about the most horrific acts and deplorable crimes, but we leave defensless children out of the humour as it is far to close to all our hearts.

 

Joke and laugh as you wish as long as I am part of this forum I too would delete any post that offended members with families, war and dictators are not part of our families although I do remember one thread regarding our soldiers and how everyone on here supported them.

[mumof4]

The dogs owner had been warned before over its behaviour.....How can a 5 year old child be at fault for what happened.im sorry, but any dog that displays agressive behaviour should be put down.I know my kids and many other small children think all dogs are cuddly and want to pet them.But i have taught mine never to touch a dog that they dont know..unless the owner says its ok.The incident happened in the small hours of the morning....the child would possibly have been asleep or maybe crying..she certainly would not have been teasing it at that time in the morning.Unproven to be the dogs fault indeed...how the hell are they going to prove otherwise..a child is dead. and died in a very horrific way..in pain and helpless.terrified.

[Guest neil_wiles]

Agreed entirely M my point wasnt the innocence of the dog or any other more it was an unnacceptable display of bad taste in posting that joke.

 

The behaviour of any wild animal if agressive is unacceptable, I would have my own put down if they showed any sign of agression to anyone. I know because I have and it is hard to do but necesary.

[mumof4]

You said...:which is yet unproven to be totally the animals fault

 

it was that i responded to.

 

 

I know it is hard to have an animal put down..our last dog was 2 when she had to be put down as she contracted a virus that affected her brain and she turned aggresive.

[Guest wolfie]

The behaviour of any wild animal if agressive is unacceptable

 

 

why? surely thats why we call them WILD animals? should not it be that aggressive behaviour in a domesticated animal should not be acceptable?

[big_kev]

The owner of the dog should be held respnsible for its actions.

 

ie if the owner should have been charged with manslaughter in this case.

[mumof4]

As the dog was a banned breed..the owner will be held responsible for the dogs actions......

 

I believe any owner should be responsible for their pets actions..

 

In this day and age..we have made dogs conform to the way we want them to..which is not in their basic instinct to do so...any dog can turn aggressive and any dog can turn wild given the provocation.

 

My pooch is soft as muck and wouldnt harm anything....(well..apart from cats and the desire to chase motorbikes and cars)..but given the provocation..im sure that could change..as with any family pet.

[Guest gooner52]

my mum and dad breed german sheperds for over 20 years

and showed them in all the top dog shows

 

and the one thing i have learnt,is that any dog is as good or bad that as the owner that taught them..

 

the storys we here nowdays are very scary

 

most which is down to the media .one dog attacks so lets write about every one..

then when a big named breed gets in the news,it doesnt stop

 

i have always had german sheperds round me and my kids

and it was the same when me and my sisters where kids

 

in some cases not all,we dont get all the facts.the media prints what it wants to print..

im not saying this is the case here .as i dont know all the facts

but maz you are right every dog has it in them to attack

and everydog will do what comes to them as nature..

 

my heart felt wishes go out to the family ..

 

would just like to add.

 

i remember storys in the 1980s.young couple bought a baby jack russell a few months old.

then had a baby themselfs.one day the baby was left in the same room as the puppy..

 

i dont need to tell you what the outcome was.but im sorry i dont blame the puppy

 

i blame the parents..for getting the puppy to start off with

 

as i have said my heartfelt wishes go out to the family

[Guest bigal]

My wife was once attacked by a dog, it was really scary. It wasnt really the dogs fault but the owners as it wasnt on a lead. My wife was running out of the drive way and scared the dog so it attacked her, I had to kick the dog a few times to get it to release her leg. We are both really wary of any dog now, which is a shame cause i used to love them.

[Guest gooner52]

i know what you mean al

when i was a kid,this man had a dobleman ,and i asked him if the dog was ok to stoke

he said it was,but i run to him and he bit me..bloody hurt too..

[MadBaz]

Having being a postman (sorry PC term is delivery person) I found that however good natured most dogs are, they can turn very quickly, One example was a school caretakers border collie, it ran round the playground with the kids no problems, but as soon as it saw me it attacked and I mean attacked, after the second incident, when I'd had my wrist chewed, my boss and the union decided that until the caretaker kept the dog under proper control, no post would be delivered to the cul-de-sac, and boy did it upset those that had giros delivered. The police and royal mail were keen to prosecute but I wasn't, out of uniform the dog was absolutely fine. When I went back to work ,using advice of old timers from the cycling club, I carried a Jif lemon and when threatened, which was often, I used it at dogs faces it works a treat.

 

Whatever triggers an attack response in seemingley good natured pets we may never fully understand, but all domesticated animals need a keen eye especially round our children.

[Guest Cepheus]

With yound children myself you can only blame the owner of the dog for what happened, and yes I totally agree that he should be being spoken to on suspicion of manslaughter. Dangerous Dog Act 1991 prohibits anyone from owing this type of dog for a reason. I hope they throw the book at him.

 

I also apologise for any offence caused by my Saddam jokes. I personally didn't see them as offensive and neither did a wide spectrum of people I know that had heard them over the last couple of days, which is why I posted them here.

[Guest neil_wiles]

The dangerous Dog Act only covers Public places and the ownership of a dog has never been the issue the control of it in a public place is the constraint of the legislation, more the pity. I personally breed Weimaraners and have done for many years, they are very strong and were bred to fell deer.

 

Those animals that have been bred to fight should have been cessated long ago but the back street dog fighting regime still exists and will perpetuate this type of animal and therefore this type of event.

 

Ban the dogs ?, imprison the owners ? , a death is a death, and a death even by accident is punishable and keeping a dog known to be agressive is not an accident.

 

Just out of curiousity where do people see each breed of dog they know in terms of agression, I have a skewed vision as i breed dogs but I would be very interested in seeing other peoples ideas as to which dogs breeds appear agressive and which are not.

[teresa]

i have started to worry about my dog attacking my grandaughter. when i have her stopping my dog (jack russell) is the 1st one to greet her trys licking her to death.

but grandaughter is now at stage where she is pulling the dogs ears and fur and is after her at every opertunity she gets. at the moment dog can escape and sit on back of the chairs or goes she goes upstairs out of the way but my worry is when babys walking and chasing the dog will the dog turn when she has had enough

[Guest gooner52]

our old is the jr theresa.i know when they get on a bit their temper can be a bit unstable

 

we had to have our gsd ,put to to sleep in july last year.i was getting a bit worried with out grandson

 

as dave my gsd.was getting on,and he didnt like to be pulled all over the place

 

all you can do is to keep a close eye on the baby and the doggie

 

all the best j

[teresa]

the jack russell is 7 yrs old i will be watchin her but she is very protective over the baby an example is if tia cried and no one was sitting with her dog would lie by her and tia calmed down but if she cried and i picked her up dog would growl as if she thought i was hurting tia. this has stopped for now the only time the dog goes near tia is if has to walk past her to get to where shes going or tia is asleep dog lies nr her

[Guest Cepheus]

Our Beagle was the softest dog in the world, Kayleigh would pull her ears and try ride her round the house, but we never left them in the same room together unsupervised. The risk just isn't worth it. I'd suggest the same thing to you Teresa and everyone else with kids and dogs. Don't take the chance. Dogs arent play things for kids, their closest relations are wolves. Would you leave your kids in the same room as one of those? thought not. No matter how well trained or domesticated a dog is, they still have a bit of wolf in them that can come out at any time.

 

Thankfully though, its wolf in them and not Wolfie ... that would just be sick! ;) ;)

[wonkydog]

I apologise for the way I tried to highlight the original point. I have young children and yes, one of them has been attacked by a dog. Sarah has got over the fear but the boys are still nervous.

 

My point was, and I should have worded it better is that, in this day and age with stories of sudden and heart wrenching death by accident. Is it acceptable to make jokes about the execution of another human being. (however guilty he was)

 

Apologies again to all offended.

[big_kev]

I agree with the saying that it is not the dog but the owner...to a certain extent.

 

You still have to look at the breed of dog involved.

 

All dogs have had years of selective breeding to bring out various characteristics.

 

Retriever type dogs, spaniels labradors etc tend to be of a more placid nature ( yes there are exceptions ) as this has been bred into them....usually warn you first...rarely bite and very rarely continue

 

Guard dog types...Alsations...Rottweilers..Dobermans etc have been selectively bred to be protective and as such by their nature are aggressive especially to people. ( a good owner can partially remove this nature....but it is still there in the majority of cases. )...tend to bite to make their point dont usually continue after initial subtle warning.

 

Terrier type dogs...have been selectively bred to be agressive and stubborn...the worst possible traits to have in a pet.

Luckily most terriers are small...Jack Russels and as such...even though they have the worst reputation for biting people inflict little damage....a Jack Russel is about a thousand times more likely to bite you than a Lab...but if the Lab did bit someone it is large enough to do serious damage especially to a child....tend to be bad tempered little b*ggers and will bite without warning first.

 

The larger Terrier types..Pit Bulls..Staffs etc ( apart from being owned mainly by F*ckwits who want a " hard dog" ) have both the agression and tenacity of the smaller terriers combined with the power of a larger dog and as such are dangerous....tend to bite and continue...until either themselves or the bitten thing die.

 

However it still comes down to the owner in all fairness....they bought that particular type of dog.