MadBaz Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this b@$7@rd allen bolt off ( the one on the top right)<_< tried wd40, blowlamp, bigger hammer and an allen key, not in that order.I dont want to drill, otherwise i may be looking at new hub carrier. Quote
anadin Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this b@$7@rd allen bolt off ( the one on the top right)<_< tried wd40, blowlamp, bigger hammer and an allen key, not in that order.I dont want to drill, otherwise i may be looking at new hub carrier. cut a groove into outer edge and tap round with a chisel, may work? Quote
Guest VR6! Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Have you chewed up the head? hence the other methods of removal? if you have! the cutting a slot and using an impact driver may help? it may also total the bolt and snap off the head! also try a decent set of vice grips, and keep on applying the release agent it will help! Quote
familyman Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 :angry2: Is it definetly an allen nut not a torx head? Quote
Scorpiorefugee Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 I have found that, just occasionally, trying to tighten it first can break the lock on the thread. Quote
Sharanfx Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Other option that I recently had to use to get a rounded off hex bolt out, was to hammer in a similar over sized torx socket into it, which griped enough to get it off. Quote
MadBaz Posted October 22, 2006 Author Report Posted October 22, 2006 Thanks guys, I'll defo try impact method, its an allen bolt thats as smooth on the inside as a maf. Definately a cowboy has had a go at this motor b4 I got it. Clutch was changed 3 Months before I got it but slave cylinder wasn't done which is why I'm taking it apart. Drive shaft bolts were only a little more than hand tight and they look like originals. the lower balljoint is also rounded(where the torx bit goes in) :) this isn't my doing. If I had the readies at the mo I'd get a mk2 and offer this motor free for spares. It's a shame I didn't try and take up some problems with VOSA and challenge the MOT certificate and garage that did the shoddy repair work and MOT as previous owner didn't have a clue, like having 3x firestone f590 195/65/15 91t non-reinforced tyres fitted and seriously dodgy track rod ends, Previous owner was charged Quote
anadin Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Thanks guys, I'll defo try impact method, its an allen bolt thats as smooth on the inside as a maf. Definately a cowboy has had a go at this motor b4 I got it. Clutch was changed 3 Months before I got it but slave cylinder wasn't done which is why I'm taking it apart. Drive shaft bolts were only a little more than hand tight and they look like originals. the lower balljoint is also rounded(where the torx bit goes in) :) this isn't my doing. If I had the readies at the mo I'd get a mk2 and offer this motor free for spares. It's a shame I didn't try and take up some problems with VOSA and challenge the MOT certificate and garage that did the shoddy repair work and MOT as previous owner didn't have a clue, like having 3x firestone f590 195/65/15 91t non-reinforced tyres fitted and seriously dodgy track rod ends, Previous owner was charged Quote
Vanbursta Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 You could always weld a small bar to it and then use it as a lever to break the seal, or weld on another nut head, or just grind it off. Best suggestion yet though is to cut a slot in it and use a hammer and cold chisel to undo it. Obviously you will need a new bolt though! Bottom ball joint is held to the carrier by rivets and you can buy a new one that bolts on, so don't be afraid to grind it off if needed. Quote
NikpV Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 use a dremel (or lookalike) to cut/grind groove or a couple of flats on it Quote
tim-spam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Assuming you have the access, drilling it out may be the best option, as it should not damage anything but the bolt itself. Try the following method:If the bolt is, for example, an M8, use a good 6.5mm drill. On an allen bolt, the rounded off socket ensures that the drill is centralised. Starting carefully to avoid snatching, drill down 3 or 4mm beyond the bottom of the socket into the shank of the bolt. Once you have done this, you should find that the shank in this area yields, and therefore releases the pre-tension in the bolt. Then, hammer a 1/4" (6.35mm) allen key bit into the head, and the bolt should unscrew quite easily. It is important that you drill far enough down the shank, firstly to release the bolt's pre-tension, and secondly to give some purchase to the allen key if the head of the bolt "pings" off as sometimes happens. Hope this helps. Quote
Smilge Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 use a dremel (or lookalike) to cut/grind groove or a couple of flats on it You love your Dremel don't you Nik? :blink: You wanna use a MANS tool ...... a 1000000W angle grinder!!!!! Quote
NikpV Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 use a dremel (or lookalike) to cut/grind groove or a couple of flats on it You love your Dremel don't you Nik? :D You wanna use a MANS tool ...... a 1000000W angle grinder!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: actually don't own a dremel - was bought a rotozip many years ago which eventually burnt out (before I got the angle grinder with the 230mm diamond wheel) did pick up a b&q Quote
Smilge Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 use a dremel (or lookalike) to cut/grind groove or a couple of flats on it You love your Dremel don't you Nik? :D You wanna use a MANS tool ...... a 1000000W angle grinder!!!!! :lol: :lol: :D actually don't own a dremel - was bought a rotozip many years ago which eventually burnt out (before I got the angle grinder with the 230mm diamond wheel) did pick up a b&q Quote
Vanbursta Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Me too, I cut a 2 1/2 ton cement mixer (with 1/2 inch cast iron bowl) into pieces about 4 inches square, took 4 days and 7 blades, but it was bloody good fun as I had been wanting rid of the thing for ages! - Still got a piece as a memento - have a look! Quote
Guest seacam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 What! a 1 million watt angle grinder, I don't think so, but how I'd like me one of them. Quote
Guest seacam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Me too, I cut a 2 1/2 ton cement mixer (with 1/2 inch cast iron bowl) into pieces about 4 inches square, took 4 days and 7 blades, but it was bloody good fun as I had been wanting rid of the thing for ages! - Still got a piece as a memento - have a look! Hello Vanbursta, I haven't done that but I did once renovate a shop that use to sell parafin. In the back yard there was a couple of huge storage tanks we were asked to dispose of as part of the job. No probs I said thinking 2 men some blades and a couple of large angle grinders would do the job, not a chance. To this day I have never worked out how they got them in in the first place. In the end I hired a oxy cutter, sorted, still took some time tho'. Quote
Vanbursta Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Yeah, but doesn't it feel satisfying once you get rid of something that's bugged you like that! Quote
NikpV Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Working for a heat & vent company in the early 80's we had to remove two oil storage tanks from under Bournemouth college - tanks were 2m tall 5m x 7m steam cleaned & purged with nitrogen before we gas axed a hole in so we could work inside to out (little room outside), merrily cutting the 8mm plate into sections we noticed how warm it was becoming, despite all the precautions nobody thought to clean up the oil soaked sawdust between the supporting piers which we ignited with the torch. Its the only time that I have set a fire alarm off in anger - in the college exam season as well :( Shifting that plate and the tonnes of iron pipe/boiler section gave me some muscles to remember (but only for a year :) I love oxy/acetylene cutting :) Quote
Guest seacam Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Yeah, but doesn't it feel satisfying once you get rid of something that's bugged you like that! Yeh, tell me about it. Quote
MadBaz Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Posted October 25, 2006 Well I got them nuts off, had to remove brake caliper & disc and use stilsons, though tempted to use an angle grinder or even oxy.and talking about nuts I must be one to even attempt this!! Quote
Guest seacam Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Well I got them nuts off, had to remove brake caliper & disc and use stilsons, though tempted to use an angle grinder or even oxy.and talking about nuts I must be one to even attempt this!! Hello Madbaz, Well done on you, can it be taken as read, you won't be using them nuts again. :lol: Quote
MadBaz Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Posted October 25, 2006 I'll use stilsons to put them back on & weld em, that'll stump the next bugger that trys to take em off :lol: :lol: (which could be me) :o Quote
Guest seacam Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 I'll use stilsons to put them back on & weld em, that'll stump the next bugger that trys to take em off :wub: :wub: (which could be me) :wub: Hello Madbaz. Now that's really wicked, it really is. :wub: :wub: :D Quote
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