V6 2.8 '96 Cutting Out

[Guest V6Nik]

Hi gang,

Just found this forum, looks like it could be very helpful :D

 

Anyhoo, My '96 V6 keeps cutting out with no spark when it reaches operating temp, leave it 20 mins or so and it then restarts and runs well for another 10 mins or so.

 

I have had the RAC out (very good response times even if they can't fix)

The local dealer can't look for 4 days or so.

 

A suggestion was made that it may be the ECU Relay at fault, Can anyone tell me which one this is ? (No 18 is my guess)

 

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Many thanks

[Guest V6Nik]

What could be the worse case scenario ?

 

Replacing the ECU ? any suggestions as to the cost of this ? i'm just trying to be prepared for the shock :o

 

After all, they say bad things come in threes..

1 The car breaking down

2 Because of no car, 13yr old son mugged on way home from school whilst waiting on bus stop !!!

3 .......Bill from Ford ????

 

Hope not :angry:

[Guest V6Nik]

Just an Update...

 

Car has been with the dealer since last Monday (15th)

It was booked for Diagnostic on Thursday at 11:30, But wasn't started (the paragraph of fault description and 3 contact phone numbers where "lost" between service reception and the workshop)

 

When I spoke to the workshop controller at 3pm on Thursday and told him the fault, he said "Sounds like cyl head temp sensor, we'll get on with it straight away"

 

Rang again at 5:50pm to be told by another workshop controller that the car hadn't even got into the workshop! After a polite but forced complaint, i managed to get a promise that it would be done on Friday.

 

9am Friday, the workshop controller called me to say they had found a fault with the fuse box that was stopping the fule pump from working, when I re stated that the fault was no spark and that fuel was always present I was met with silence.

 

I rang again at 1pm to be told that they were still working on it.

 

at 4:30 PM, the workshop controller called to say that they had ordered a cyl head temp sensor and something for the fusebox but they could not work on the car on Sat am as not enough staff available, but it "should" be fixed Monday.

 

 

 

:blink: AAAAArrrggggghhhhhh!

 

Will keep you updated on Monday

[Guest JIMSTDI]

hi

 

sounds like they need to pull there finger a out and stop mesing u around

 

hope it all gets sorted on monday for you

 

all the best james

[Guest V6Nik]

James Hi,

You're not kidding....I shall name and shame in the appropriate area here once all is well again.

 

I shall not let sleeping dogs lie, this is the first and last time I shall use this dealer (it's only 10 mins walk from home).

 

I am going to write to both the dealer principle and Ford in Essex once I have the car back.

 

I dread to think what they are going to charge, especially as they appear to be finding faults that don't exist and are guessing at what the problem is !!!

 

Cheers

Nick

[Guest JIMSTDI]

hi nik

 

i take it your over essex way,im in dartford

we have a few good dealers this way...

 

hope all gets sorted ok

 

james

[Guest V6Nik]

I'm in Bristol, the two dealers here in Bristol are both part of the same group (currently Ford Retail after the original group went bust, not surprising really...)

 

Although there is another dealer outside of Bristol that has been recommended.

 

Cheers for your thoughts :blink:

 

Nik

[Guest V6Nik]

Update,

 

Ok the Cyl head temp sensor and other has been fitted, total bill so far

[Ivor_E_Tower]

Sorry to hear this tale of woe; contact the Ford customer relationship centre and tell them that your vehicle is off the road due to faults which the dealer seems to be guessing at. Tell them that they have changed bits that have not cured the problem but they expect you to pay for them. Tell them that you have lost confidence in the dealer and ask what they will do to get your car working again.

This is getting beyond a joke - why do Ford appoint dealers who are unable to diagnose faults or get vehicles working again within a reasonable timescale?

[Guest SA Intruder]

Complete bolony - the coolant sensor bit...it won't stop the engine firing.

 

Have they checked the crank sensor and the ECU relay?

 

Relay 109 problem common for no-start at any temp

 

Crank sensor - common problem for hot start and dying at high temp.

 

Sounds like Clownsville down there....

 

ECU failure happens, but is rare. Get hold of Simon Ashby at

 

http://www.dntn.co.uk/home.htm

 

for some proper advice?

[Guest V6Nik]

A little update...

 

Still no car, the PCM has been fitted but they can't test as the immobiliser has cut in, I only have one key, so they say they will cut additional keys to reprogram everything.

 

The keys were sent to the other bristol branch of the dealership (they don't cut keys where my car is) but the guy who cuts the keys was on leave (this was Weds) but my keys will be cut today, Perhaps my Gal will be working today ?

[Guest V6Nik]

Nope, keys are out of stock.

 

It's just as well i'm a naturally happy person :blink:

 

Anyway, I've now got trading standards involved and I currently await (not with baited breath) a call back from, hopeully, the dealer principle.

 

My case will be that the dealer shall:

"Have performed a service with care and skill within a reasonable period and at a reasonable price"

 

To date, they have fixed nothing, its been with them since the 15th and the bill is over

[Guest V6Nik]

Update...

 

New PCM fitted, keys cut and everything programmed. Good.

Fault still there. Bad

 

On diags, new PCM shows a fault in the system that the original PCM didn't indicate. They are now going to fix the fault indicated by the new PCM and test again, if all is well then they will refit the original PCM and retest, if this works I don;t get charged for a new PCM, if it doesn't work then I get a new PCM (but get charged).....sort of progress?

 

Oh and I have a courtesy car now.

 

And just for fun, the dog was in the vets today after damging her foot, just a

[Guest JIMSTDI]

hi nik

 

this sounds like its turning into a right royal joke

u got any warranty on yr gal

 

by the way what courtesy car did they give u

 

hope the dogs ok

 

all the best james

[Guest V6Nik]

James Hi,

 

The dog is fine, a bit lame but almost her old self :( thanks

 

They gave me a Ka, which I don't mind, It's also got only 17 Miles on it (it'll sound like 17,000 when they get it back :blink:

 

To be honest, its beyond a joke, but I am getting somewhere with the service manager, he has welcomed my complaint and involvement of trading standards and wants me to continue to write my letter of dissatisfaction (I think he wants some ammo to get things changed- remember this dealership is owned by Ford Retail)

 

typically, the 2 year warranty i purchased with the Gal (warranty holdings) had run out some 3 weeks prior to the fault occuring- but they wouldn't have covered this as they would only pay upto

[Guest JIMSTDI]

hi nik

 

glad the dog isnt to bad

good 2 c the ka will have 127k on :lol:

lets hope someone gets there house in order,and holds there hands up here

 

whats that tis cd like anygood,been thinkin about getting one myself

 

all the best

 

james

[Guest V6Nik]

At last, Due to collect the ol girl tomorrow (Thurs)

 

The dealer had booked 20 hours :D but i "negotiated" down to six :lol:

 

They are still gonna lighten my wallet by

[Guest JIMSTDI]

hi nik glad 2 c u back

 

glad u got there labour hours down to :lol:

 

hope there ka is nackerd :D

 

i got a tis cd the other day from ebay 2

 

anyway m8 hope the cars running wicked

 

take care

james :D

[Guest V6Nik]

She's Back :D and growling like she should.

 

As an added bonus, my remote locking and total closure now works from my original key, it didn't before it went in :lol:

 

Kind of expensive for 2 keys and remote locking to be fixed though eh :P

 

The Ka was somewhat rattlier and smelt VERY hot when it went back :D

 

Thanks for your support gang :D

[Guest JIMSTDI]

glad the gal`s all ok m8

 

nice touch on the c/l nice one

 

take it easy m8

 

james

[Guest SA Intruder]

So I was right then?

[Guest V6Nik]

You were indeed Mr SA, I bow to your superior knowledge, B)

 

Do you wanna run the workshop at the clown show that is my local dealer :lol:

 

 

Cheers

Nik

[Guest SA Intruder]

Not an affliction that is uncommon to many car manufacturers.

 

The sensors used by the engine management systems across all brands are generally the same make.

 

Bosch have the European monopoly, followed by Delco and Valeo.

 

The Japanese tend to use Nippon, Hitachi and Mitsubishi sensors and controls.

 

Crank and Cam sensor problems are quite common. On Bosch fitments, the MAF sensor is the Achilles heel by a fair chunk.