"surging" Auto

[Guest Martyn]

I have a 96 2.0GLS Auto Galaxy which seems to "surge" when driving. It is very apparent at low speeds round town especially when decellerating and in 4th gear. Also it is very undecided as to which gear to be in and changes from 3rd to 4th frequently round town. Kick-down still appears to work ok.

 

The engine also feels a bit 'flat' on acceleration but then it is only a 2ltr Auto Petrol !!!

 

Drives nice at 80mph (oops I mean 70 ! )

 

Any ideas ?

 

Martyn ;)

[Guest ICarr]

I had a very similar problem with my 2.8 auto in January. Took it to a Ford dealer who checked the diagnostics and advised me the

problem was either the speed sensor, or the wiring loom between engine and auto box, or maybe I needed a new gearbox.

 

Anyway I had the sensor changed first - No change

Then the wiring loom - still no change

Then ford told me I needed a new auto box. As I only had a replacement fitted 20K ago I wasn't convinced so insisted they look again.

They refused at first saying that I should take it to a VW main dealer. VW quoted for a new box also. Ford finally agreed to have another

look for me and hey presto it was a faulty connector. All in all Ford had the car nearly three weeks and it cost be over 400quid.

 

Hope you have more luck than I did - I suggest you take it to an Auto box specialist and not a Ford dealer.

 

Ian

[Guest Ian Hampton]

Sorry to hear about your G'box problems, but this raises something that has been bugging me for a while, I also have a 2.8 Auto, and although Ford have carried out some routine servicing, when it came to the crunch and I needed engine work they suggested I went to a VW main dealer.

Come on Ford.... If you market a product then you have a moral responsibility (if not a legal one) to support that product.

I was Bloody furious that they just fobbed me off after relieving me of plenty of cash for maintenance, and it turns out they haven't got a clue, the right tools or test equipment to work on the vehicle!!!

I seriously wonder if they even carried out anything other than an oil change at my

[Guest Martyn]

Hi Guys, thanks for your replies!

 

I must admit I'm always very wary about main dealers in General. They have high 'overheads' to cover and you just don't seem to get that personal touch do you!

 

Icarr - sorry to hear you got stuffed for

[Guest shackers]

Hi Martyn;

 

My thoughts, for what it's worth, Clutch Slip! Faulty pressure plate or a dodgy diaphram spring. It could be also oil or grease on the Clutch Disc.

 

But the general Symptons are more like engine speed increases, not surges... A lack of power would also suggest clutch slip and that's why I thought I'd suggest this. Again just put a prying eye over the hoses for kinks, splits etc.. How's the Engine Idling?

 

hope this helps... shackers

[Guest gby1066]

Also having a 96 2.0GLS Auto Galaxy (only covered 64K with FFSH) the car developed a surge (revving) when changing up. Before long this developed into the the gear change being undecided when accelerating through the gears.

 

The dealer immediately quotes an 'arm and a leg' for a new gearbox, which didn't include VAT :rolleyes:.

 

It's been at a gearbox specialist for the last 3 weeks. The information being fed back being that they've stripped it down and a couple of components need replacing (parts to be provided when the jobs done).

 

All I can say is that I wish I'd found this site a few weeks ago...

 

Graham

[Guest Martyn]

Hello again !

 

Sorry for delay in replying - i've been working out of town !

 

Thanks Shackers for your idea's, the engine appears to idle ok and when you put your foot down for a quick get-away I don't seem to notice any over-revving on the rev counter and its smooth. I have also noticed that the car appears to behave itself more if you pop it into 3rd rather than drive (round town). I will check the hoses and stuff tonight - thanks !

 

Graham - I'm sorry but it sound like your in for a big bill when you get your car back! I would be interested to know how you get on. As for the site, its always good to hear your not the only one with car problems and I hope you find it useful for any future problems!

 

Keep smiling all ! :rolleyes:

 

Martyn

[Guest shackers]

Hi Martyn;

 

Has anyone looked at the Powertrain control module?, There was a revised module. The Finis Code is: 1 037 872 although make sure you have not already got the updated version. Ford have a defect code of: 77.

 

If you want the old Part numbers, and what the new ones should be, give us a shout.

 

Also: On your model the vehicle speed sensor should be attched with two clips and some where only attached incorrectly by one, attached to the water pipe.. It's always worth checking because this may not be connected correctly, I'm not saying this is causing the problem though... Again, the Finis code is: 7 257 173

 

Defect code: 36

 

shackers...........

[Guest gby1066]

...just got the car back. Ended up paying less than was quoted at the Ford dealer (but not too much less).

 

A couple of mechanical items and a duff solenoid being the culprit so I was told :( .

 

Has anyone heard about a 'get you home' mode for the auto gearbox?

 

Graham.

[Guest Martyn]

Thanks Shackers ! Yes giz the old numbers if you don't mind?

 

Always worth a try.

 

Graham - whats this get you home thingy then !!?? :(

 

Martyn

[Guest shackers]

Here you go....

 

95VW 12A650 HA

 

95VW 12A650 HB

 

95VW 12A650 HC [THESE ARE THE OLD EN'S]

 

 

95VW 12A650 HD OR 95VW 12A650 HE [THESE CAN BE REPROGRAMED]

 

95VW 12A650 HF [NEW ONE]

 

Build code TE.. Ford can refer to: TSB 082/1997 or TSB 083

 

Hope this helps :(

[Guest shackers]

Here you go....

 

95VW 12A650 HA

 

95VW 12A650 HB

 

95VW 12A650 HC [THESE ARE THE OLD EN'S]

 

 

95VW 12A650 HD OR 95VW 12A650 HE [THESE CAN BE REPROGRAMED]

 

95VW 12A650 HF [NEW ONE]

 

Build code TE.. Ford can refer to: TSB 082/1997 or TSB 083

 

Hope this helps :(

[Guest gby1066]

I was told that if the car detected a problem with the auto gearbox then it would remain in third gear and not change. :D just enough to get you home.

 

Not having any great understanding about the complex technical parts of the Galaxy it sounded plausible. :D :D

 

As nobody seems to have heard of this mode. :D :( :(

 

Graham.

[Guest shackers]

Hi Graham;

 

Yes, Daewoo and Vauxhall also have this mode built in.. It isn't something I have a lot of experience in, but I'll have a look at what I can find.

 

Any chances of finding out what these machanical parts were? maybe on your invoice, would be great if it states Part Nmbers..

 

shackers

 

Also.. Is it a VXT 75 transmission build code SC to VK? It is most likely. Does yopur invoice mention a new bracket.

 

"Transmission Abutment Bracket"

[Guest gby1066]

Haven't received the invoice yet as I haven't paid, because I'm not completely happy with the way the car drives. I have the feeling that the auto hold onto the gears too long and is very reluctant to change into fourth.

 

Doing 60 (on a gradual incline) the engine was around 4000 revs in third and would not change. When it decides to kick-down I get the feeling that the gear-box is going to jump out of its housing.

 

Can you setup the gearbox for sports mode? The car was always sluggish (I always figured it to be the 2L engine for such a big car), but now. Maybe I shouldn't complain :( .

 

The garage were happy for me to take the car for the week (without paying :() to see how it goes (it goes back to the garage on Monday).

 

I'll post the information when I get it...

 

Graham.

[Guest yurir]

Hi Everyone,

 

My '98 2.3 seems to have a similar problem to Martyns'.

 

On medium acceleration, the box sometimes goes prematurely into 4th.

 

Often, it appears to "slip", going into 4th. It actually seems to go into neutral, and you have to ease off on the pedal to get it shift. I don't think it's actual slipping, because it seems to pull OK on a gradient.

 

I was thing along the lines of a software glitch in the gearbox control, and it seems that the "power train module" or "faulty connector" may hold the answer.

 

Many thanks,

Yuri.

[Guest EVSS]

similar problem , ford dealer (headless chicken syndrome) classic we dont work on autos try vag.....its a 98tdi galaxy ghia x auto with i thought FORD badge on it for heavens sake. after bagdering they sent it to a specialist who stripped and rebuilt box. replaced the powertrain ecu and on the verge of giving up 5 weeks later replaced the wireing from the module to gearbox SUCCESS now drives great still getting used to adaptive gearbox but power and economy brilliant.

cost.....well just over a grand which was the original quote for the box without the electrical items (these were included and the old ones given back to us by the specialist as a sweetner for time involved) all i can say is thank goodness for extra warranties.

ps checking loom on bench for continuety there are breaks but not vissible to eye if any wory has been done to engine/gearbox in past and its not supported correctly the box hangs on the harness.

sorry for essay gary