Aircon To Climate Control

[danyoda1]

hi guys,

 

do you know if it is possible to upgrade from normal aircon to climate control?

 

if it is, i imagine its a case for vagcom, with new climate control switches etc.

 

anyone done it or is it a def no no????

 

cheers

[Guest marcusheawood]

...why would you want to make the system even more unreliable than it already is? :unsure:

[johnb80]

>>...why would you want to make the system even more unreliable than it already is?<<

What makes you say that it is ? Indeed if it is more unreliable I can still think of lots of reasons to do it, it's way better than aircon, I never have to touch the temp controls winter or summer and the car always seems to be comfortable. I would say Ford have definately got this right on this car.

 

So far as converting goes there would be lots of major work so I fear it would not be a good idea. Climate control drives all of the flaps on the heater system by motors so the whole dash would have to come out, new heater unit installed along with all of the associated cables, controls, etc.

 

Regards - john

[Guest vr6galaxy]

>>...why would you want to make the system even more unreliable than it already is?<<

What makes you say that it is ?

the primary reason AC is more reliable than CC is simply down to the fact that there are less moving parts controlled by complicated and expensive electronics!

I can strip and repair the dash controls on my AC system in the drive way, yet to trace a fault on a CC system efficently means the used of a lap top and a copy of VagCom and then an understanding of electronics to do any thing with the info you have found! where as a simple push on and off switch and a couple of rotary control knobs is a piece of cake in comparison ;)

[johnb80]

So I suppose your LPG system doesn't have multipoint injection and an ecu controlling it, after all why use all of this unreliable electronics?

 

I can honestly say I rarely have to touch the climate control panel so switches etc won't be wearing out as fast, the compressor will only be called as and when needed instead of the it's too cold switch it off, I'm too warm switch it on cycle.

 

I don't recall reading much on here about fault CC controls at all. I agree that it is potentially more likely to breakdown but it is so much better so worth the risk as I'm sure you accept with your LPG over the old pressure regulated demand valve type systems.

 

Regards - John

[Guest marcusheawood]

...Oh John, I'm sorry did I brush your knee there... ;)

[Guest vr6galaxy]

So I suppose your LPG system doesn't have multipoint injection and an ecu controlling it, after all why use all of this unreliable electronics?

 

The difference being that I chose a system that is better suited for the engine! true it contains electronics but these are systems that are already in use in the controlling of the engine, I would much rather have a system that is simple to install simple to use and simple to trace faults on and to repair!

[johnb80]

So I suppose your LPG system doesn't have multipoint injection and an ecu controlling it, after all why use all of this unreliable electronics?

 

The difference being that I chose a system that is better suited for the engine! true it contains electronics but these are systems that are already in use in the controlling of the engine, I would much rather have a system that is simple to install simple to use and simple to trace faults on and to repair!

And strangely, the climate control is better suited to controlling the climate of the interior ! it also uses systems already in place i.e. the compressor, the condensor the evaporator etc.

Your LPG system you have added an additional ECU, injector simulators, ECU controlled gas distributor/injector, at least 2 solenoid valves and either connected into the existing lambda sensor or added another one. All of this not in the manufacturers original design. CC is part of the manufacturers original design, no modifications etc.

 

I have to admit (as I'm sure you can guess) I do get irritated by people knocking modern electronics. It's very rare that electronics on modern vehicles fail, more often external sensors and wiring than the ECU's etc.

 

Keep em comin ;)

 

Regards - John

[johnb80]

...Oh John, I'm sorry did I brush your knee there... ;)

The unreliability of aircon/cc usually centres around gas leaking, it's nothing to do with cc or aircon derivatives.

 

Regards - JB

[Masked Marauder]

Back to the question, is it possible.

 

Well yes, everything is possible, it is just the amount of work required to do the job and the cost of the parts.

 

If it was a simple job then I would not hesitate to to this to my car. But I have not looked into the complexities of it yet.

[johnb80]

Hi MM,

It definately ain't simple, I looked at it for my mate, he has aircon and liked the CC on my Gal that he wanted it. Major work, whole heater unit, ECU, wiring loom and I'm sure work with VAG-COM.

 

Regards - JB

[danyoda1]

ok guys - thanks for the replies.

 

i'm not too shy with rewiring or ripping shit about! but it seems that it would be a lot easier to but the galaxy with c/c already in.

 

i just asked as i have been looking locally for a v6 galaxy that falls in the 5k mark and i only found one which had c/c. it was a nice looking ultima model but had already been sold when i got to the garage!!!

 

nevermind - just means i will have to keep looking 8-)

[tim-spam]

Just one more thing to add - the heater flaps, etc. are all driven by electric servo motors whether CC is fitted or not.

[Guest MATT]

when i asked this question a while ago, i was told not to bother, as there is too much fitting of bits, and you may as well buy a car that's already got it, like you would if you had an inferior manual, and wanted a superior Auto :angry:

 

MATT :blink:

[Guest ajaycad]

If it aint broke...........dont fix it

[johnb80]

Just one more thing to add - the heater flaps, etc. are all driven by electric servo motors whether CC is fitted or not.

I seem to think I mentioned that earlier, arn't you paying attention ? :angry:

[johnb80]

If it aint broke...........dont fix it

looks like that needs fixing :angry:

[Masked Marauder]

Just one more thing to add - the heater flaps, etc. are all driven by electric servo motors whether CC is fitted or not.

I seem to think I mentioned that earlier, arn't you paying attention ? :angry:

Ah but you said the motors would need to be fitted, he says they are already there.

 

Perhaps you need to pay more attention! :(

[tim-spam]

Johnb80, what you said implied that the CC has servo motor driven heater flaps, etc., which would need to be added to a non-CC equipped car. What I said was simply that the car has servo motor driven heater flaps etc. whether or not CC is fitted. In other words, the conversion would not require these things to be added. What would be needed of course would be all of the sensors, wiring, software mods and panel.

[seatkid]

No,no,no, manual a/c models have bowden cables and vacuum operated flaps.

 

CC models have not only completely different heater/evaporator assembly, but loads of other stuff including an ECU with different features enabled.

 

danyoda1...you have to be mad to do it!

 

Its easier (and cheaper) to change the car....

[tim-spam]

Facelifted models have servo motors, not cables. So, it depends on whether or not Danyoda1's car is post 2000 or not.

[Guest marcusheawood]

...wibble! :(

 

You're all mad (especially Johnb80...but that's only at me), particularly you danyoda1; mate if you wanna attempt this conversion you are truly clinically barking (and romford) insane.

 

Check the hundreds of posts and see just how much more bovver Climatronic can really give you. Mind you; if you can convert it then keeping it running should be a doddle by comparison.

 

Personally I think it's clockwork nonsense :angry:

[Guest MATT]

if i was buying a new car, or really wanted CC, then i would buy a car that already has it.

 

MATT :angry:

[danyoda1]

yup - i haven't bought the car yet but definately want climate as i don't like the hot/cold/hot/cold cycle of aircon in my wifes pug 206.

 

i'll be upgrading from a mk2 fiesta so i suppose anything will be better!!!!!

[seatkid]

Facelifted models have servo motors, not cables.

Dawg Nabbitt! You'll be telling me they've done any with the starting handle next..... :angry: