Warm Up Time - 115 Tdi

[Jeff115]

I took the advice to have a word with the dealer being as the car was only just out of warranty and they have agreed to look at the

[johnb80]

ps Good stuff Jeff. I'll have to post how I start a CFM56 engine!!!!

How do you start a CFM56 engine ??

[iainkirk]

Time to reach normal operating temperature also depends on driving style and road speed.

 

eg, I live exactly 1 mile from the nearest M6 junction. On my journey to work (via the M6!) mine reaches normal temperature after just over half a mile on the motorway.

 

If I drove at 30 in 5th/6th, it would probably take about 10 miles to warm up.

[Guest MartinSurfer]

I reckon all the bits are working ok on mine and in winter it always takes 3-4 miles to get the gauge moving and 5-6 to get to normal. That's 30mph town stuff and I have a gentle foot.

;)

[Ogben Schmutzel]

Thanks Martin,

 

I really don't whether mine is right or wrong except that I am pretty sure that the Aux heater is not working!! But even it that is fixed, given that it only should work at 5 C or thereabouts this will be the worst car I have ever had for heater performance on short runs!!

 

Which unfortunately is 90% of my driving ;)

 

Regards.

Oggy

[Jeff115]

Hi Oggie,

 

Unfortunately lack of immediate heat is going to be a problem for the engine also.

 

IMO the best thing you can do for a diesel is get it up to operating temperature asap especially first thing in the morning (gently though for the first few minutes). When you're stuck in traffic and and/or doing only short runs engine exhaust gas recirculation is not effective. Consequently the intercooler and the turbo through which those gases pass (or don't pass!) literally gunge up.

 

Best thing that both of us can do (to avoid clogging the arteries in our Gals!)is to get the aux. heater working (to heat the coolant quicker), change the oil more frequently than recommended (circa every 5k) and take your Gal. for an 'italian tune up' at least once a week!

 

 

That's my sixpence worth :lol:

Regrds,

J.

[Ogben Schmutzel]

The Italian tune up being a quick burn up??

What do you reckon that requires, will a couple of miles at 70 odd do it?

:lol:

[Jeff115]

More about revs. than speed. A good run 20-30 miles with the revs. kept high (but below 4k) through the gears.

[Jeff115]

I got my Combustion Air Blower in the Booster heater working again today. :(

 

The VAG-COM fault code/DTC that i had was

01414 - Combustion-Air Blower (V6)

16-00 - Signal Outside Specifications

which I read was due to any of 3 possible causes:

1. Blower blocked and/or

2. Voltage at blower too high and/or

3. Fan on blower loose

 

all of which pointed to 'Renew Unit' if not wirng or connections to unit. :D

However I dismantled as far as I could w/out requiring coolant bleeding or new gaskets /o-rings.

 

Some of the small screws on the control unit needed a good shift - probably due to heat of unit.

 

Anyway I checked wiring and connections - no apparent problem; blower fan was spinning freely; checked glow plug which was fine; checked fuel delivery, again fine; and re-assembled (anti-seize to screws and bolts :o

 

I failed to find a problem. :( So I said to myself this has to be a Renew Unit possibly due to fault in internal windings

 

However before I reconnected fresh air and exhaust pipes to unit I did an Output test using VAG-COM and lo and behold I could hear the fan. I then cleared the fault codes.

 

Unfortunately did not get the chance to bypass the ambient temp. sensor to force the unit on but I'm hopeful for the morning :D

Regards,

J.

 

Hope that you get a result tomorrow, Oggy.

[Ogben Schmutzel]

Nice one Jeff. It must be good to get that sorted yourself.

 

Me

[Jeff115]

Excellent news, Oggy. The heater glow plus does seem like a common fault item.

 

You should probably stick with that dealer for the tricky work. :)

 

Yes I've read the Seat Workshop Repair Manual for the Additional Heater (as they call it officially !) and it describes dismantling, testing and renewing most component parts of the unit except for the combustion air blower which cannot be further dismantled.

 

It was Gazza's suggestion to hassle the dealership - I've had no joy with mine to date.

 

Regards,

Jeff.

[gazza007]

Excellent results Jeff & Oggy. :)

[Guest vr6galaxy]

 

I've read the Seat Workshop Repair Manual for the Additional Heater (as they call it officially !) and it describes dismantling, testing and renewing most component parts of the unit except for the combustion air blower which cannot be further dismantled.

 

Do you have a copy? and if so is it worth haveing? and where do you get it from?

[Jeff115]

Hi vr6g,

 

Hard copy or on-line reference only - It's a secure 'Sealed media' Adobe .pdf and you cannot copy/paste from it or print to file.

 

I got it from the official Seat site :) at

https://erwin.seat.com/erWinSeat/

 

To get it:

Register/login, click on 'Search' on LHS, follow the dropdown menus for Model, Model Year, Topic = Auxiliary Heater but other topics available are Body, Brakes, Comms. Electrical, Engine... Heating and a/c looks interesting hmmm

 

then click Search in centre section then

click on the encircled 'I' for the Table of Contents.

 

and if so is it worth haveing

You'll have to pay for the pleasure but

[Guest vr6galaxy]

Cheaper to buy a TIS :) you can do a similar thing with VW

[Guest MATT]

They will replace it free of charge even though vehicle is out of warrantee.

:) :o :o :o that's good of them, wish my dealer was like that :o :o :o :o

 

i only asked them to clean the galaxy inside (this is when i bought, ya) and fix a side pocket, but they couldn't even do that :)

 

matt

[Jeff115]

vr6g,

Cheaper to buy a TIS  you can do a similar thing with VW

 

I did not think that us 'mere mortals' could buy TIS, officially, that is :)

 

Re VW erWin- erWin Login covers both Seat and VW.

VW can be reached here:

https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erWinVW/

but they did not have the Auxiliary Heater Workshop Manual available for download :)

 

Matt, i think that Oggy and Gazza must be more persuasive than the rest of us :o

Regards,

Jeff.

[Guest vr6galaxy]

Us mere mortals use what we can we can lay our hands on if the price is right B) Ford have a similar set up that includes parts and prices!and on the Ford version you can download and print off the info as long its for your own use ONLY !

and if you hit the service button on the top row you can get hold of a service sheet for your vehicle, for those of you that do your own serviceing it could come in handy?

 

http://www.etis.ford.com/

 

still works out cheaper to get hold of a TIS and ring the dealers up for a price when you need something :D

[Guest MATT]

Matt, i think that Oggy and Gazza must be more persuasive than the rest of us  B)

(Italian Accent)

:D i see, so we gota be more persuasive a?

http://www.dotars.gov.au/transinfra/technewsletter/images/Sledge_Hammer_in_toolbox_Ph5.gif

 

or shove one of these up the manager a$$

 

Matt :D

[Jeff115]

Excellent results Jeff & Oggy. :lol:

Thanks, Gazza, but it's a bit pre-emptive in my case.

 

I wasn't happy that it was working right as it seemed to be stopping and re-starting the blower quite a lot.

 

So I checked it out again last night using VAG-COM to interrogate Address 18 :( unfortunately I'm getting the

01409 - Repeated Flame-Out

35-00 - -

DTC again :blink:

 

So back to the drawing board. I'm hoping that as I replaced the fuel pipe clip with a larger one and/or I've constrained fuel delivery to the unit that it might be a simple second attempt to fix but I'll have to wait on a pass from SWMBO and the kids for a retry.

 

At least

:D I've got a shiny booster unit as I cleaned while dismantling

:lol: proved that GSMGuy was right at < 10 degress VS SEAT's < 5 degrees

:P it was a nice sunny day for the dismantling

 

Regards,

Jeff,

losing it :blink:

 

MATT, you're barking :lol:

I can't believe you have a case for that thing too.

[Ogben Schmutzel]

:blink: proved that GSMGuy was right at < 10 degress VS SEAT's < 5 degrees

 

 

Must have missed that somewhere.

 

Is that the SEAT's Aux heater comes on at <5 but the Galaxy is <10???

[Jeff115]

No Oggy,

it's the same EBERSPACHER D5wz additional/booster heater fitted to my / all tdi? Galaxies, described in SEAT Workshop Manual and I believe on Ford TIS.

 

It's just that there's a difference of opinion on the temperature floor that the ambient temperature sensor initiates the start sequence i.e.

 

Masked Marauder maintains it's < 5 degrees per TIS, I said < 5 degrees alos per SEAT manual and GSMGuy said <10 degrees per trial and error?

 

I agree now that it's < 10 degrees, :blink:

 

Are you n yours cosy now of a Spring morning? :blink:

 

Later,

J.

[GSMGuy]

:blink:

 

Mike

[Ogben Schmutzel]

Are you n yours cosy now of a Spring morning?  :P

:lol:

 

Not yet, the glow plug hasn't been done yet. Waiting for the call .... but it will probably be summer by the time that it is fitted. Ooooo the excitement of waiting for winter to see if it has been fixed!!!! :angry: :P

 

But I tell you there will no warm runs to work if I get a sensor that only cuts the aux heater in at 5 C. :huh: :huh: :unsure:

 

It could be really odd,

 

ambient > 5 C = cold run to work. :(

ambient < 5 C = warm run to work. B)

 

All the best.

Oggy.

[Guest harri_m]

Its 10C with the coolant cold. I have had a replacement aux heater fitted in Jan05. Even the Ford main dealer wasn't sure how or when it worked. This morning the heater was on (outside temp 8c) The heater should start in these condition at a power output of 1200 watts, when the temp is below 5c the output should be 5 kilowatts until the water temp is 75C.

By the way it will cost about