dipsomaniac Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED SO MUCH HASSLE CHANGING A SET OF HT LEADS! Can anyone help with lending me the VW HT lead removal tool. I live in Gloucester. VW can't get me one for a couple of days, Ford don't know what I am talking about. Car is misfiring, I have identified arcing near the HT leads but am having difficultly replacing them. It has taken me around 3 hours to replace the two leads working from the left to right nearest the inlet manifold. The problem is with the lead nearest to the throttle cable (the one I now think is causing the arcing - TYPICAL). It sits around 5" down, there is very little space and the 'off the shelf' HT lead removal tool is useless. I would appreciate and help/advice. Does anybody know whether a plug breaking down could cause the arcing or is it more likely to be the leads? http://img173.exs.cx/img173/3543/htleadimage15ok.th.jpg Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Ford dealers know very little about the VR6 - they should have referred you to the nearest VW dealer who should be more helpful even if their customer care skills may be equally lacking, and their labour rates equally extortionate. Quote
dipsomaniac Posted February 21, 2005 Author Report Posted February 21, 2005 All you diesel owners are not going to be too interested in this posting, but I need to get this off my chest. After phoning another VW dealer, managed to get my hands on the 'important' HT lead removal tool ( Quote
Guest vr6galaxy Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 What was the part number for the tool? as far as I can gather from other VR6 forums there are two types! a plastic one and a metal oneand more importantly has the change of leads cured the problem? Quote
dipsomaniac Posted February 21, 2005 Author Report Posted February 21, 2005 Part no. 021012213 (plastic one). Engine if definately running smoother than when I had to drive to a friends on five cylinders to crowbar lead/plug out. It is running smoother but just popped out armed with spray can to water leads. It is not arcing in the usual place but have noticed the odd spark elsewhere near the three leads that I have replaced. See what is is like in a weeks time when I have replaced the other three. In the meantime I will be taking the tool back for a refund. Quote
seatkid Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 surely it can't be that difficult....let's see.. ....whir of CD drive again..... 1. Remove the air cleaner assembly2. Detach the spark plug leads from the engine covers.3. Disconnect the spark plug leads from the ignition coil.4. ..Engage the spark plug lead in the tool and insert the tool into the spark plug recess...Push the special tool down onto the spark plug lead connector...Twist the special tool clockwise to engage the tang on the spark plug lead connector into the cut-out in the tool...Pull off the spark plug lead connector. well that seems easy enough! ;) IIRC another forum member made his own tool out of copper pipe, cut it lengthwise so it can slip over the wire, and have a slot at the bottom so you can rotate it and catch the tang....http://img176.exs.cx/img176/903/vr6tool8qi.png Quote
Guest vr6galaxy Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 Go for the Snap On tool! solidly built to last ;) but at a price ;)I've been looking for a link I used to have on how to make a plug lead removal tool, so far I have found the how to reseal a coil pack but no luck on the tool :o Quote
dipsomaniac Posted February 21, 2005 Author Report Posted February 21, 2005 Seatkid - believe me, point 4 is difficult. Quote
seatkid Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 OK I believe you - but the right tool is the key. How about using a bent piece of stiff wire (e.g. welding rod) as per rough sketchhttp://img136.exs.cx/img136/4008/wireloop9xl.pngThe trick is to lower it so the loop goes over that tang..... Quote
dipsomaniac Posted February 21, 2005 Author Report Posted February 21, 2005 Thanks for your ideas Seatkid. Very helpful. I think the main problem is the length of time the leads have been fitted and access. They seem to be welded to the plugs. Two out of three leads have come away from the caps. I have ruined two plug lead tools and eight knuckles. I am hoping that the three front ones will be a lot easier as access is better, but need to let my fingers heal before attempting them. Quote
Guest vr6galaxy Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 If you need a decent solid tool your welcome to borrow mine (Snap On) pm me your postal addy and we can see if we can meet up or I'lL post it to you, I get over your way occassionally! bottom end of Brum M5 area o it shouldnt be to hard to get it to you? Quote
seatkid Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 They seem to be welded to the plugs. Two out of three leads have come away from the caps. I suspect you worry a lot ....remember... dealer mechanics don't! ;) don't worry,like all other VAG leadsets I've seen, leads "come away" from the caps if you pull, they are seperately assemblies and just push fit together, they go back together easily....... The caps are "stuck" because the rubber insert forms a tight seal on the ceramic post of the plug in addition to the wire grip on the plug screw. It often helps if you can twist the cap a little as you pull to break this seal....AND they need a GOOD TUG! Bruised knuckles?....wear gloves...... looks like you need to take up VR6galaxy's kind offer Quote
Guest vr6galaxy Posted February 26, 2005 Report Posted February 26, 2005 http://mail4.cableaz.com/~mdr/VW/vw_plug_boot_puller.jpg ok it took me a while but I found the DIY plug lead tool site :( Quote
dipsomaniac Posted February 28, 2005 Author Report Posted February 28, 2005 Thanks for the kind offer VR6Galaxy. I will make the tool from your picture as I will problably need to use it again in the future. Good advice Seatkid - Thanks Quote
dipsomaniac Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Posted March 1, 2005 Couldn't believe it. Just gave it a little tug............................................ ....and managed to pull it off - the fourth plug cap. Four down, two to go. I'll be re-building the auto box next? Quote
seatkid Posted March 1, 2005 Report Posted March 1, 2005 This must be some kind of record for the s..l..o..w..e..s...t ever plug change! No need to apply to Ferrari pit stop team... :( Quote
dipsomaniac Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Posted March 1, 2005 Minardi perhaps??? At least I know the jobs been done - when I have finished. Quote
Guest vr6galaxy Posted March 1, 2005 Report Posted March 1, 2005 Minardi perhaps??? :( my old neighbour used to work as an engine technician for Minardi, he was always suffering from blister's and a bad back from pushing the car back into garage ;) Quote
dipsomaniac Posted March 4, 2005 Author Report Posted March 4, 2005 I see Minardi want to use last year car because they can't change the plug leads on the new one! Can confirm that I have now changed all 6 leads on my Galaxy. It is still missing the odd beat (maybe normal) but there is no more arcing. Quote
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