Guest Zacaroo Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 I could really do with a few pointers on this engine.Most of my miles will be urban,should I aviod one !Any one out there who could help with an opinion ? thanks in advance Zacaroo :unsure: Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 Depends how much you like to spend on fuel/how much tax you like to give to the government :o Around town (urban driving) a diesel will give you at least twice the mpg of the V6. Petrol engines run rich when cold, generate more condensation which rots exhausts faster too. :unsure: Diesel has much more low-down torque and is quicker from rest to 10mph than petrol IMHO. When I moved from rural Wiltshire to overcrowded Surrey about 8 years ago I had a Rover 820 petrol single-point injection. In Wiltshire, around 38mpg, in urban Surrey around 22mpg or less. Diesel Galaxy in urban Surrey never less than 36mpg (true reading from tank brim to tank brim, not from fuel copmputer read-out). Quote
turnip Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 I am no expert, but after quite a bit of research we have plumped for the 1.9 TDI (130) engine. In a Sharan though. I personally think the tons of torque at lower revs is better suited to the 6 speed box and Urban driving. We test drove ours last week and it goes superbly .... last Diesel I drive was a 1.8D Fiesta and it was a dog. Swore I would never drive a diesel again let alone buy one again ... but this engine is superb. So in summary the 1.9TDI (130) is: 1. Cheaper to buy2. Cheaper to insure3. Has longer service intervals4. Depreciates less5. Better suits urban driving of a people carrier (IMHO) :unsure: :o CheersEd Quote
Marky Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 Just read through the threads on diesel mpg/torque/general driveability(don't mention MAF's :unsure: ) and you'll soon see what all us oilburners think!! But, at the end of the day, it is your personal choice...the V6 is silkysmooth, but when I drove one I nearly crashed it cos I was staringat the dash with disbelief as it was telling me I was getting 14 mpg !!!! Mark Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 If I let the clutch out slowly, there is sufficient low-down torque to climb my driveway without having to touch the accelerator. Not yet come across a petrol-engined car that will do that - usually have to give them at least 300rpm from a standing start at the bottom of the drive..... Quote
Richmond Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 The 2.8 is quiet (relatively) at speed; you can hold a conversation comfortably at 95, which may not be important for you. The acceleration is impressive (too impressive for the suspension etc if you floor it). The fuel consumption is dire. Our driving is mostly around town with the odd m'way excursion once or twice a month, and we're happy that we chose the 2.8. Quote
turnip Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 Ivor ... how much did you pay for the personalised number plate :unsure: Not sure it meets DVLA regs ... lol Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 Don't talk to me about that :unsure: I scanned the DVLA site for plates ending in 1 VOR and there is nothing available! Never seen any on the road either so I think DVLA must have a vendetta against those called Ivor! A 1 VOR would have been nice, or D 1 VOR (diesel Ivor). Would prefer a non-dating plate though 11 VOR (I Ivor) would be nice :o Quote
Dally Posted July 29, 2004 Report Posted July 29, 2004 Being a V6 owner, I really ought to put my tuppence worth in too! Agree with everything Richmond has said. Whilst fuel econonmy is not good, I do feel, on balance, it was the right choice for me and my family. Why? Well I was looking for a pre reg model to save a few Quote
Richmond Posted July 30, 2004 Report Posted July 30, 2004 I might add that I test drove a 2.3 and found the performance (on an urban test drive) fine. My wife also drove it, and decided that an extra 0.5 litres was required. Since she drives more than I do, we bought the 2.8, without a test drive (Ford Direct). The 6 speed box took a bit of getting used to; I found it more difficult to move from 5 speed to 6 than I did from 4 to 5. The engine's tendency to maintain revs for a couple of seconds after the accelerator is released surprised me for about a year; apparently it's a characteristic of the engine (something to do with emission controls?), but it is a bit alarming, especially at high speed. The fuel consumption point is a big one if it bothers you; the consumption is truly dire, no better than 25 mpg on a m'way run (although sticking to 70 mph would improve that quite a lot, I think). I daren't think about it around town. Like Dally, I pay for my own fuel (and everything else) and I think the cost is worthwhile, but a lot of people won't. I confess that it never occured to me to even think about a diesel. Next time I'll certainly test one, having read the glowing reports on this forum. Quote
Guest warnerj Posted July 30, 2004 Report Posted July 30, 2004 Ivor - I noticed the part of the bumper with your rear parking sensors are in the car's colour coded paint. That very bottom of the bumper (where the sensors are) on my 2002 Ghia model is in black plastic. Any ideas when this was changed or why? Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted July 30, 2004 Report Posted July 30, 2004 Yup - changed with first round of "improvements" from build date around Nov 2000 (mine was built in Oct 2000) same time as headrests went from solid to rectangular frame with empty centres to improve rear visibility, and alloy spare changed to steel.The reason is to reduce the apparent height of the rear of the car - some other car companies paint the sidesills black for the same reason- to make it appear less tall. Thing is, on an MPV it doesn't really work! Quote
Guest Zacaroo Posted July 30, 2004 Report Posted July 30, 2004 Thankyou all very much for your input,it has been greatly appreciated and I think we will be going "Diesel".All being well in the next couple of weeks we will be able to join you all, as an Owner, when we find ........."The right one" ! Cheers Zacaroo :ph34r: Quote
Denis Posted August 1, 2004 Report Posted August 1, 2004 I really enjoy driving my V6- many of the good points have already been mentioned though I like to wind the window down and listen to the engine when I am going slowly- the best kind of music! Having changed from a 2.3 I also appreciate the improved overtaking, this alone is worth the extra fuel costs. Like Richmond and Dally I bought the car myself and pay for my own petrol. Pricey but for me, worth it. Quote
Dally Posted August 1, 2004 Report Posted August 1, 2004 Denis Absolutely!! I find that it sounds best at about 3500 to 4000 revs in about third gear and is pushing up that speedo needle somewhat! Quote
Spencer Posted August 3, 2004 Report Posted August 3, 2004 Evening all... First time on the site after having recently bought a 2.8 Galaxy. One thing that everyone has overlooked is that if the cost of petrol is too much...convert to LPG!! I have just converted my Galaxy and already have a Jaguar 3.2 and a Honda Accord 2.0 on it. No longer do I feel my anger rising as I watch the pump tick over at 80p+ per litre. 35p - 39p is the standard price for LPG. Finding a station that offers LPG is no longer a problem with all the big outlets such as BP and Shell and some of the supermarkets now offering it. Not only is it easier on the wallet, you are getting the obvious benefits of the superior/more refined performance that a petrol engine offers. Every time my two current cars are serviced it's always a suprise to see how clean the oil still is due to no deposits being left by the gas. I can't recommend it highly enough.....depsite some of the horror stories that some people would have you believe. Get it done by a registered installer and you are guaranteed as with anything. The other big concern is that of pollution (although being a Jaguar owner doesn't normally mark one out as being a greeny!!) Most of you are also talking about urban driving and as such the huge levels of Nitrogen Oxides and particles that diesels emit should be a real concern. These are now recognised as the main contributing factor for the rise in respiratory problems and asthma in towns and cities...hence most of the buses and taxis now in Chester are being run on LPG. Just my thoughts...(I have no link to any LPG installation before I get accused of marketing! :D Good luck with you new purchase whatever you choose. CheersSpencer Quote
Guest fredt Posted August 3, 2004 Report Posted August 3, 2004 Evening all... First time on the site after having recently bought a 2.8 Galaxy. One thing that everyone has overlooked is that if the cost of petrol is too much...convert to LPG!! I have just converted my Galaxy and already have a Jaguar 3.2 and a Honda Accord 2.0 on it. OOH bad move :D praising LPG! dont you know this site is frequented by those who favour those rattly, smelly, atmosphere poluting, oil burning, smoke producing engined vehicles! if you cant get less than 43 MPG your not welcome here! :D 2.8 VR6 on LPG dropped, blacked out glass and driven up and beyond the legal limits :D Quote
Richmond Posted August 3, 2004 Report Posted August 3, 2004 Welcome back Fredt, from one who is pleased to get 23 mpg. :D Quote
Dally Posted August 3, 2004 Report Posted August 3, 2004 Hi fred. Nice to have another V6 er back! We were beginning to get out numbered. Quote
ridway Posted August 5, 2004 Report Posted August 5, 2004 Im a 2.3 owner yearning for a V6. A 2.8 V6 turbodiesel would be an interesting variant dont you think? Rich. Quote
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