Smokey Start

[Trislander]

Hi all

Recently started getting quite a bad smokey start up on my 2000 mk2 galaxy 1.9 tdi white/grey in colour. After about 60 seconds of driving its ok but then if i switch on and off again it does the same. Any thoughts please?

[gregers]

is it coming from the rear exhaust or from under the car in the middle?

[Trislander]

Rear

[seatkid]

Hi all

Recently started getting quite a bad smokey start up on my 2000 mk2 galaxy 1.9 tdi white/grey in colour. After about 60 seconds of driving its ok but then if i switch on and off again it does the same. Any thoughts please?

 

Possibilities

 

1. Glowplugs - if not working might have a bit of grey smoke to start - but usually not this time of year and should clear within 5 - 10 seconds  and only if engine is stone cold and not been run for 2 - 3 hours previously

 

2. Timing issue - could be a slipping timing pulley not sure on Mk2 but on Mk1 bottom pulley key wears, top pulley can slip on camshaft)

 

3. Camshaft wear - if non PD oil (505.01 spec) has been used, the cams can be worn/stripped. Take the rocker cover off and examine.

[Trislander]

Thanks

[Trislander]

5w30 semi oil used

It has a pd engine

Starts ok so don't think it's heater plugs

[seatkid]

5w30 semi oil used

It has a pd engine

 

 

What was the oil spec? It must be a minimum of VW505.01 (or VW507)

 

Note 505.00 spec oil is not PD compatible. If it doesnt have any of these particular specs, then you've used an incompatible oil that is highly likely to damage your engine.

 

PD oil has special high shear qualities needed by the unit injector camshaft. Without this, the camshaft gets stripped quickly.

[Trislander]

Always used this oil never been an issue before

[seatkid]

You didnt answer the question - is it a PD oil (VW505.01 or 507)?

 

If not, you'd better check your injector camshaft lobes to see if you're lucky or been living on borrowed time....

[Trislander]

It's just a 5w30 semi synthetic oil I've always used

[Trislander]

Oil bottle reads the following spec

api sl/cf acea a1 /b1 ford m2c 913a/b

That's all it states

[Trislander]

Just noticed the oil consumption and it seems to be eating the stuff just took it to a mate he reckons the turbo is about to go which isn't good news for me so its either a recon or a scrap one :-(

[seatkid]

from Opie Oils website

 

 

Engine oil meeting the Ford WSS M2C 913-B. For most Ford petrol and diesel engines except the Ford Focus RS (2009 onwards), Ford Galaxy 1.9 TDI and any vehicle requiring the latest WSS-M2C 913-C , WSS-M2C-934-A or WSS-M2C-934-B specifications.

 

You've been using the wrong oil and is possibly the reason youre seeing premature turbo failure. The symptoms tie in with failing turbo bearing leading to oil in the intercooler -> smoke on start up. Catastophic failure could occur at any moment - this is where the amount of oil leaking is enough to start running the engine on its own and the engine races uncontrollably away.The only way to stop it if this occurs is to hold the brakes hard and try and stall it. Otherwise the engine will destroy itself - its something that happens quite often on turbo diesels.

 

Before you invest in a recon turbo - check the state of that camshaft - if thats wearing then there maybe even less point in attempting a repair.

[Trislander]

Hmmmm not happy but thanks for the advice will look into it I have no choice but to keep driving as its my living so fingers crossed it holds out until I have the cash

[xavier]

I'd still have a go at freeing up the turbo (or at least check if the vnt mech is siezed).

[Trislander]

Wouldn't the smoky start up be the signs of the turbo hinting its on its last legs?

[andyn666]

yes it would

[Trislander]

Actually quite annoyed I was told to use 5w30 but turns out it should 5w40 oil

Well got hold of another turbo getting it done over the weekend see if it sorts it

Would this cure limp mode?

[seatkid]

Actually quite annoyed I was told to use 5w30 but turns out it should 5w40 oil

 

 

Viscosity is not the important parameter - you can use 5w30 or 5w40 but it must have VW505.01 or VW507 approval (i.e that spec must be printed on the tin...) These oils are the only ones suitable for PD engines which have a unique requirement for an exceptionally high shear strength oil.

 

As I said earlier check the camlobes for damage before embarking on an expensive repair.

 

The usual reason for a turbo bearing failure is lack of lubrication, which is often due to a blocked turbo oil feed pipe or contamination of the oil with debris. This pipe needs to be cleaned or replaced when changing the turbo.

[Trislander]

Ok thanks

[Trislander]

Turbo being replaced tomorrow fingers crossed

[Trislander]

Turns out my oil feed pipe has also split so more added expense ohhhh well should all be sorted by the morning now fingers crossed

[Trislander]

Right I'm back in the road hurrrrayyyy another turbo fitted (scrap one I know not ideal but its all I could afford at the time) its no longer smoking but still suffering limp mode does this mean more likely to be a sensor issue?

[bigdave982]

Scan it with vcds mate and see what it reports

[Trislander]

Cheers Dave