sash4 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Hi guys, hope you can shed some light, i have a 1999 (v) 1.9 tdi Galaxy, Yesterday morning went out as usual, turned it over and it woudnt fire up, after trying a bump start and jump lead start still nothing,,, everything sounds good as normal, after searching i heard the glow plugs maybe the problem so changed them all,, and still nothing,All the electrics still work, im not mechanically minded so bear with me,, Any ideas on any possibles?? ive read a lot about a relay 30 that seems to cure everything, if only i could find it!! p.s had someone take a quick look and fuel is getting to injectors, Edited October 7, 2009 by sash4 Quote
Saif Rehman Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Hi guys, hope you can shed some light, i have a 1999 (v) 1.9 tdi Galaxy, Yesterday morning went out as usual, turned it over and it woudnt fire up, after trying a bump start and jump lead start still nothing,,, everything sounds good as normal, after searching i heard the glow plugs maybe the problem so changed them all,, and still nothing,All the electrics still work, im not mechanically minded so bear with me,, Any ideas on any possibles?? ive read a lot about a relay 30 that seems to cure everything, if only i could find it!! p.s had someone take a quick look and fuel is getting to injectors, What are the led's on the door doing - are they flashing? Click on my signature where it says "FAQ's....." and i believe it's no. 36 for your query. Quote
sash4 Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Posted October 7, 2009 Hi,Thanks for the link to the relay,,, The door led's seem normal to me, as in they flash when the doors are locked,and when the key is in ignition they go off,if thats right..... Quote
sash4 Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Posted October 9, 2009 Hi,Thanks for the link to the relay,,, The door led's seem normal to me, as in they flash when the doors are locked,and when the key is in ignition they go off,if thats right..... Appears that this car doesnt have a relay 30? maybe ive got mixed up with a petrol engine... i tested the old glow plugs 1 out of the four was a dud,, new ones work, how do you test the glow plugs are getting power to them when in place?? Quote
turk90210 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Posted October 9, 2009 ""how do you test the glow plugs are getting power to them when in place??"" putting a test light on it would be an obvious answer - sorry couldnt resist the diesel engine suffers from relay 109 problems which could be the answer, what lights come on when you turn the ignition on does the glow plug light come on? if it doesn't then it could be the 109 relay Quote
sash4 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Report Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) ""how do you test the glow plugs are getting power to them when in place??"" putting a test light on it would be an obvious answer - sorry couldnt resistthe diesel engine suffers from relay 109 problems which could be the answer, what lights come on when you turn the ignition on does the glow plug light come on? if it doesn't then it could be the 109 relay LOL is that not a test if the glow plugs are working?? same principal as using a battery pack on the glow plugs (direct live feed)?, its When they are connected to the engine and clicked in the busbar is there a way of knowing the power is getting there?? All dashboard lights work fine, the glow plug light comes on for approx 3 seconds,since they were changed.. previously it was like a blink of an eye since found that one was dud,,Thanks for replying and the info on relay no 109,appreciate it.. Edited October 10, 2009 by sash4 Quote
westie Posted October 10, 2009 Report Posted October 10, 2009 Try running a cable from the top of the fuel solenoid (Under the TDI cover in the enging Dept), to the +ve terminal of the battery.If the engine now starts, (glow plug lights come on as usual), then it looks like relay 109.2 min job to change relay....but bit of a pain to find the relay Look here for more info....http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.php?showtopic=8810&st=0&p=68423entry68423. This shows how to get to the relay panels...relay 109 is in a similar position to relay 30...you will see a big 109 stamped on it. Only difference is that this links shows a Mk 2, and the mk 1 does needs a slightly different trim removal to get to the relays. If the ignition makes a series of beeps when the car is turning over, I think this indicates a possible cam sensor issue.Again, lots of info about it on here.Good luck. Quote
sash4 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Report Posted October 10, 2009 IIRC it could be a duff batery? Its been to a mechanic today, said it was (fuel solenoid) the other half got the phone call unless it was some other soloenoid, apparently it was doing what it was supposed to but not doing it fully,, getting new part on monday so will take it from there ,,fingers crossed..... Quote
sash4 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Report Posted October 10, 2009 Have you run that cable ?? Hi, no sorry i didnt, the guy took the car away before you mentioned that,, The mechanic is looking at it as a favour for another friend via us lol, Quote
Scorpiorefugee Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 Just to clear up a point. These engines will normally start without glow plugs at freezing temperature within 10 seconds of a steady crank. Mine certainly did even with 200K on the clock. If it suddenly won't start then it can only be fuel, although that can be anything between lack of it to blockages or loss of control of the injetion system. Have you checked for any fault codes? Don't forget that, because of the position and shape of the fuel tank, if it is parked nose down on a reasonable slope, the fuel is not picked up, even with nearly 1/4 tank. If that happens, it can take a lot of cranking even when back on the level and extra fuel added. This may all be wrong but they ar basic things to remember before you start changing glow plugs. Just out of interest, how much did you pay for the needle lift glow plug (No 3 I think) 'cos I was quoted around Quote
sash4 Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Just to clear up a point. These engines will normally start without glow plugs at freezing temperature within 10 seconds of a steady crank. Mine certainly did even with 200K on the clock. If it suddenly won't start then it can only be fuel, although that can be anything between lack of it to blockages or loss of control of the injetion system. Have you checked for any fault codes? Don't forget that, because of the position and shape of the fuel tank, if it is parked nose down on a reasonable slope, the fuel is not picked up, even with nearly 1/4 tank. If that happens, it can take a lot of cranking even when back on the level and extra fuel added. This may all be wrong but they ar basic things to remember before you start changing glow plugs. Just out of interest, how much did you pay for the needle lift glow plug (No 3 I think) 'cos I was quoted around Edited October 11, 2009 by sash4 Quote
sash4 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Posted October 12, 2009 All fixed,,back on the road again, did turn out to be the fuel solenoid switch!!! Thanks for the suggestions for the problem, found this a friendly forum, great to find a forum thats willing to help people like myself who have no knowledge of cars.. Cheers... Quote
westie Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 All fixed,,back on the road again, did turn out to be the fuel solenoid switch!!! relay 109 ? Quote
sash4 Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Posted October 13, 2009 All fixed,,back on the road again, did turn out to be the fuel solenoid switch!!! relay 109 ? All the relays checked fine, ive had this car 1.5 years never realised how quick it can be since that was fixed.. Quote
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