Galaxy Air Con

[mrj]

hi all i wonder if anyone can help,ive just bought an 02 mk11 and had the climate control screen flash for 15 seconds so took it to my mechanic,he re gased the system and still never worked,ie got cold,after a wee inspection he beleived the compressor to have gone as he found the oil in the pipes to a bit gritty,he explained that wen the pump breaks down the swarf makes its way round the system,but ive just come back from another garage who have flushed the system and told me the results of whats come out are usual for normal use and doesnt beleive the pump has gone,he did a vacuum test and the system held pressure fine with no leaks,he then started the vehical and run the aircon,after a few minutes he turned everything off and re pumped out the system only retreiving 800gms,he has told me there is a leak in the back system now,a pipe or wateva is causing the problem.

 

i need to ask if the system only had 700gms put in before by my other mechanic would the system not work,ie shut itself down as not enough was put in ie 1100gms,the first mechanic beleived it was a single system but this guy today has told me its front and back and that if only 700gms was put in it wouldnt work anyway as the pressures would all be wrong or summink,he also said that the gritty feel of what came out was normal,is that correct ???

 

apparently so im told today,the back system doesnt get included when you pump out under vaccum and only connects when the system is actual;ly being used,is this correct ???

Edited October 6, 2009 by mrj

[Mirez]

Do you have vents in the roof above each of the rear seats?

[gregers]

the info iirc is on a plate/sticker on the front bulk head under the bonnet.

[mikej]

Unfortunately the sticker gives you both quantities. As suggested without roof vents it's 700+- 50g and with it's the larger quantity 1100g. Do yourself a favour and pen out the quantity that don't apply to your vehicle as some dip sh1t will put in the wrong quantity ;) Edited October 6, 2009 by mikej

[mrj]

thanks for the replys guys,

 

no there are no vents in the roof lining,and i pointed that out to the guy today as i read that in the manual,he said that not all the f/b aircon models have those vents ??? he said that as the front control panel has front and back independent control that it means its a duel system ?? sounds a bit wrong to me to be honest,especially as my original mechanic who might i add has done my cars for about 6 years now and have found him to be incredibly honest,reckoned it was a single system not a duel,my original mechanic therefore put 700+50gms in but the guy today put 1100gms in,but neither worked anyway lol,this is all very confusing for me i gotta say,so just before closing time i popped down to my local ford,hoping to just approach a mechanic for a bit of advice,needless to say none of them would talk to me and pointed me towards service reception.

well they were sorta helpfull but not really,wouldnt confirm wether it was a duel or a single system,but promptly told me that the early models suffered wih aircon problems,he also said it would be strange for the pipes in the back to develop a leak as they was alays dogged with leaks in the front end,he also said the pumps had a history of breaking down internally and agreed that if swarf was found in the coolant that its likely to be the pump,but could also be the main climate control panel,jesus christ something else to think about!!

in the end he said they would be happy to take it in and gas it for

[big_kev]

thanks for the replys guys,

 

he said that as the front control panel has front and back independent control that it means its a duel system ??

 

He does not have a clue.......it is not a dual system.

[big_kev]

apparently so im told today,the back system doesnt get included when you pump out under vaccum and only connects when the system is actual;ly being used,is this correct ???

 

Nope........this is rubbish as well.

[mrj]

ok cheers fella helps to know for sure

[mikej]

As above, i have been down this road before like many others on here and i can tell you firstly Frauds are talking through their bottom and stay away from the main stealer , secondly if you have no roof vents then it's 700g +- 50g honest. When i first bought mine some idiot filled it with 1100 and stuffed the compressor. The climate control panel does have rear control but this is not duel aircon, this caught me out when i first bought mine. One of the biggest causes for coolant loss is the condensor ( aircon rad thats fitted in front of your normal rad ) see the many posts for leak inspection .

p.s did i say stay away from Frauds.

[Bigjeeze]

Having been through the early model breakdown scenario on my MK2 I can say that the dealers hadn't a clue - they changed the front evaporator ( pulling out the dashboard to do it) then the compressor before finally realising it was the condenser. I have dual (not duel :) ) air con and can confirm that there are vents in the roof - if you don't have the vents and by extension the rear Unit in the nearside wheel arch then you haven't got a dual system. They always come out with the swarf issue when they don't know what's wrong. If the compressor has died then there may well be swarf in the system but it's quite unlikely. Do a search for Air Con issues ,it's most likely to be the condenser but it might also be one of the pipes leading out of the compressor ( I had that a couple of years ago)

 

Good luck.

[mikej]

:D I have dual (not duel ) air con

YOU tring two say i canot spel ? :D Remember what goes around ! :)

[Bigjeeze]

:D I have dual (not duel ) air con

YOU tring two say i canot spel ? :D Remember what goes around ! :)

 

 

:D Are you challenging me to a duel, or a Dual , and if so does that mean that there will be two of you? :D

[Smilge]

:D I have dual (not duel ) air con

YOU tring two say i canot spel ? :D Remember what goes around ! :rolleyes:

 

One minute you're saying it hasn't got DUAL now you're saying it has! .... Sort yerself out man ....... :D

 

No seriously ..... sounds like the condenser to me as Big J suggested. LP or HP side would have been useful ....

Edited October 8, 2009 by Bleeno

[mikej]

:rolleyes: Ok confused myself now, To recap NO ROOF VENTS IT'S SINGLE not dual,duel,jewl or otherwise . There is a black plastic cap fitted to the top of the reciever/drier ( the long tube fitted on the left hand side of the condensor when looking from the front ) under this cap is a circlip this is the usual area for the leak especially on the older cars, put a bit of light oil or soapy water in there and look out for bubbles forming as the gas escapes or a green crust ontop of the circlip is a sure givaway look for the posts on inspecting the condensor there should be loads. If you find this is your problem you may as well buy the whole condensor not just the reciever/drier as the cost difference is not a great deal and condensors come fitted with a new reiver/drier anyway approx