gavmck Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 hi i know there is loads of helpful stuff on this site regarding none starting galaxys but i cant seem to find what i need to fix my car. i have a 1999 v-reg galaxy 2.8 v6 si (petrol) from the pics in another post i looks like a mk 1 the car will not start and doesnt even try to turn over at all there isnt even any sign of the starter motor even getting a signal to start. i have put on a new battery and still no change when i turn on the ignition the small light on the drivers door flashes like mad so from the information on this site i figured it must be relay 30. after taking it all apart i find there is no relay 30 or relay 27. key fob still works ok with car and unlocks/locks no problems. any help will be really appreciated Quote
CM2007 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) hi i know there is loads of helpful stuff on this site regarding none starting galaxys but i cant seem to find what i need to fix my car. i have a 1999 v-reg galaxy 2.8 v6 si (petrol) from the pics in another post i looks like a mk 1 the car will not start and doesnt even try to turn over at all there isnt even any sign of the starter motor even getting a signal to start. i have put on a new battery and still no change when i turn on the ignition the small light on the drivers door flashes like mad so from the information on this site i figured it must be relay 30. after taking it all apart i find there is no relay 30 or relay 27. key fob still works ok with car and unlocks/locks no problems. any help will be really appreciated I'll admit that I may not be able to offer any real expertise on this but maybe to help others help you. Perhaps you could say when it started happening i.e. any event that may have caused it? Any other faults that may have also occured?Is it manual or auto? If it's an auto, it could be the inhibitor switch (this is the switch that stops the car from starting when in gear) and if it's a manual, have you tried push starting it?Apart from that, perhaps an immobiliser fault? Hope you get it sorted! Mike Edited March 27, 2009 by CM2007 Quote
frogeye Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 Hi gavmck, I had this same problem with my T-reg 2.3 zetec auto galaxy last summer, after finding this site and following this excellent relay 30 changing guidelines I sorted the problem in a hour one morning. This was after the car had spent several weeks at a local garage getting the ecu diagnosed etc..etc. Link to the relay 30 post:http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...ost&p=68423 Saying that, when I got all the relay holders opened out and just gave relay 30 a good squeeze that seemed to do the trick, although I went ahead and changed the relay as I had already bought one. I also changed the other problem relay whilst I was in there (cant remember off hand which one - fuel pump?) I seem also to remember that the relay 30 may sometimes have a different number stamped on the back of it, i guess double check on this site or see which relay corresponds to the position in the diagrams on the post above. Good luck.Frogeye Quote
gavmck Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Posted March 28, 2009 thanks for the help but i have already tryed the relay 30 thing and as i stated above my fuse board levels 1 2 and 3 do not have a relay 30 on them its a manual gearbox btw. as for how it started i just opened the car as normal via the remote central locking there was no warning or any idication it was going to happen. the car was off the road for a couple of months (couldnt afford the tax) up until 2 weeks ago but has been running great since its been back on the road. thanks again for you posts Quote
big_kev Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 It does sound like an immobiliser problem. You haven't changed the battery on the remote key and dropped the chip out have you ? Do you have any spare keys and does it start with them ? Quote
gavmck Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Posted March 28, 2009 i havent changed the battery in the key. and none of the spare keys i have work . went to the car this morning and it started first time. and all keys started it. went back to the car this afternoon and it wont start again. same problem as before. Quote
gregers Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 you havnt got a swiming pool under your passenger seat have you??? Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Ignition lock fault ??? I had a similar issue with my first car many, many years ago... shorted out 2 terminals on the back of the ignition switch with a screwdriver and it started :) Quote
gavmck Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) there is no water under passenger seat. i left ignition on for a few mins and the led flashes changed from rapid to a 1 : 3 pattern. also just noticed relay 410 clicks quite loudly does anyone know what this relay is for and is it normal to click. thanks in advance Edited March 30, 2009 by gavmck Quote
gavmck Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 please if anyone can help i would be very gratefull,from a stressed husband and father of 4!!! Quote
seatkid Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Trace the circuit from the ignition switch - you should have +12v on the red/black when the key is in start position (pos 3).Trace it through the fuse 26 then cryptotransponder relay k191 through to the starter motor. Most likely reason for intermittent starting is either ignition switch failure, k191 failure, or poor contact to the base of k191 - often the relay mating connections in the junction box become loose or fall off. The relays are in the central junction box under the drivers side dash. It is a multilevel affair and quite difficult to access the different levels. Use the photo guide posted earlier to help you. This info is for a 1999 Manual - Auto versions are different and have an inhibitor switch in there as well. Edited March 31, 2009 by seatkid Quote
dan-the-troubled-man Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Hi all, first post, so I hope someone an give me a helping hand, I wanted to start a new topic but I an unable to as a new forum member so please forgive me if this is a little off topic. My 1997 MK1 2.0 GALAXY Ghia is an old warhorse but is mechanically sound, I have been having a lot of problems with the ecu's of late (yes I know, common issues!) and have replaced both the wiper motor/ecu and the central locking ecu relatively cheaply from ebay. It now seems I have a non functioning ECM! (I think?) The symptoms: The car just stopped whilst driving along as if the car had run out of petrol.Upon inspection the fuel pump was not working (yes I did check to see if there was any fuel in it first!), the pump, all fuses and relays checked and all were found to be working fine. The first clue!A mechanic managed to bypass the ecm and get the fuel pump started but their diagnostics machine could not go deep enough to find out if it was an ecm problem or not. Attempted roll starting the vehicle succesfully and the car run but with limited power all warning lights extinguished when it was running, when placed in neutral the engine cut out. Is this a sign of non working ECM? When at a standstill and the ignition is turned on you can hear the fuel pump working and engine turning over but also a high pitched whistling sound as if a pipe is disconnected, does anyone know what this is? If anyone could help me out on these questions I would be grateful, also if anyone know of anyway to get this old warhorse running until I can sort out an ECM I would be grateful again! :rolleyes: dan dan the troubled man Quote
seatkid Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) The symptoms: The car just stopped whilst driving along as if the car had run out of petrol.Upon inspection the fuel pump was not working (yes I did check to see if there was any fuel in it first!), the pump, all fuses and relays checked and all were found to be working fine. The first clue!A mechanic managed to bypass the ecm and get the fuel pump started but their diagnostics machine could not go deep enough to find out if it was an ecm problem or not. Most likely fuel pump relay (aka Relay 30) K4. It may click, but a dry joint internally prevents 12 volts getting to your fuel pump. Known fault, unlike the ECU which is normally very reliable. The whistling may be do to arcing/high resistance in the relay Edited March 31, 2009 by seatkid Quote
gavmck Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 i think i might be getting somewere.i just forced the imobleiser relay (158 i think) on and the car started and ran for a few seconds i left it for a few mins and did the same again it ran for 10 mins no probs and i drove it up and down my drive all seemed to be ok so i switched it off. went back to it a few mins later and it will start but dies straight away. anyone have any ideas were to go next. thanks Quote
dan-the-troubled-man Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 The symptoms: The car just stopped whilst driving along as if the car had run out of petrol.Upon inspection the fuel pump was not working (yes I did check to see if there was any fuel in it first!), the pump, all fuses and relays checked and all were found to be working fine. The first clue!A mechanic managed to bypass the ecm and get the fuel pump started but their diagnostics machine could not go deep enough to find out if it was an ecm problem or not. Most likely fuel pump relay (aka Relay 30) K4. It may click, but a dry joint internally prevents 12 volts getting to your fuel pump. Known fault, unlike the ECU which is normally very reliable. The whistling may be do to arcing/high resistance in the relay Thanks for that, but just to add to that if it was the fuel pump relay would everything that I mentioned happen or is there some question marks over anything? Quote
gavmck Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Posted April 2, 2009 any help at all would be appreciated....... Quote
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