Richard gal Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 Hi, Lost power today towing caravan, couldnt get above 40mph and a fair bit of black smoke coming out the exhaust. Anyway got it back home and had a look roundand then heard tinny rattle, like turbo blades!. Let dealer have a look and he confirms turbo has gone, problem is, a replacement is Quote
f0ster Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 hello try a search on google uk, you will get lots of hits for turbos, no they are not difficult to fit, you will also have to replace the oil and filter and the air filter to comply with the suppliers warranty terms, (keep your receipts for the parts) Quote
familyman Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 these were excellent when my turbo went bang http://www.turboactive.com/ Quote
familyman Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 these were excellent when my turbo went bang http://www.turboactive.com/Just to add ,if you do replace the turbo yourself be prepared for a smoke screen from the exhaust where the turbo has dumped a lot of oil into the exhaust system ,it can be very scary until the oil is burnt out of the system,i had a lot of bikers giving me a cheery wave as they overtook my smoking gal(at least i think they were waving!)so might be best to try and run it late at night on a quiet country road! Quote
davgree Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Original Turbos Direct 0161-336 3612 I replaced mine last year, (2004 115 TDi Auto) ford estimated price Edited February 22, 2009 by davgree Quote
Richard gal Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Posted February 22, 2009 Original Turbos Direct 0161-336 3612 I replaced mine last year, (2004 115 TDi Auto) ford estimated price Quote
familyman Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 Original Turbos Direct 0161-336 3612 I replaced mine last year, (2004 115 TDi Auto) ford estimated price Quote
davgree Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I would go for new every time, to many hours to swap if the re-con is not up to the job! Limp home mode is a nightmare problem if the re-con is not up to the job, also, what has been re-conditioned in the turbo? ... :) Quote
Richard gal Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 Got the new Turbo on, and as dealer had said the EGR is highly recommended to be replaced at the same time according to Ford i took it of and had a look. It was operating ok but 50% choked with soot and carbon!. I hear of people blanking off the egr valve or capping the operating pipe, or even setting EGR=0 on Vag.com, is this a good idea?. i am worried the exhaust gasses willthen be very hot, and this may have been the original problem to an extent? Quote
Smilge Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 No don't do it! .... blanking it off will change the inlet temperature and you might end up with the same problem. Quote
Richard gal Posted March 5, 2009 Author Report Posted March 5, 2009 No don't do it! .... blanking it off will change the inlet temperature and you might end up with the same problem.Will it??What about this i found then? http://www.egrvalve.co.uk/index.php?page=products You chuck the whole thing away and fit a plain pipe! Quote
Smilge Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 A quote from another forum: The engine is designed to run with a controlled amount of exhaust gases to reduce Nox content. If you take out the exhaust gas element the whole mappping process is disrupted. Injection quantity, injection timing and boost pressure is calculated using EGR content, air mass value, boost pressure ect ect and by removing or blocking off the EGR removed this element from the mapping process. This can cause running issues as Air Mass values are incorrect as the EGR values are missing. EGR can be reduced/lowered within the mapping, however, personally I dont like removing or blocking the EGR off, however this is my opinion as I can see within the mapping what issues can happen and how important it is within the mapping process. The main agument for not having it is basically that it allows the Turbo to spin up more rapidly and doesn't allow so much lag but with a VNT this is compensated for. If you start altering the pressures and temperatures within the exhaust and inlet manifolds you will have running issues. Another thing to consider is the fact that you are in effect modifying the car which will affect your insurance. If you wish to follow this route then why not consider a de-cat as well. Quote
Beyond Help? Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 Don't blank it off or close it completely. You can reduce it withing certain parameters as the engine is designed to be programable for all countries although the exhast gas rules are different in many. About five years ago I reduced mine to 33768 (the bigger the number the less gas that is fed back into the manifold) and have no problems to report. Quote
Richard gal Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Posted March 6, 2009 Well its back running again and after testing its all OK I blocked the egr vacum pipe and capped the ecr connection. It runs a little better if anything, less black smoke on hard acceleration and accelerates just as fast if not faster, which would all be logical as it isnt taking in Co2 when it really needs oxygen. I really dont know what to do now, kits are sold to avoid the ECR system altogether and theres hardly a LR td5 with its ecr still connected i am told! Quote
Beyond Help? Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 Does the LR td5 use a variable vane turbo? Quote
Richard gal Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Posted March 6, 2009 Does the LR td5 use a variable vane turbo?Dont know!But will it make a difference? wont the pressure to the cylinder be the same wether its being added to by exhaust gas or not? ie it will blow a little more fresh air to make up for the exhaust gas that isnt being let into inlet manifold. Quote
Richard gal Posted May 10, 2009 Author Report Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) Update, its done 3,000 miles without the EGR connected, (well, control pipe blocked and actuator capped) and holding on to a lump of wood all seems good! It seems to give out less smoke on accleration, and feels to have more power, the main benefit is lower fuel use, it will now get the caravan to blackpool and back without a refuel, it warned low fuel 20 miles before home before, and for the first time ever this week (after a long motorway run) it got to 500 miles before the fuel warning came on. Edited May 10, 2009 by Richard gal Quote
Richard gal Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Posted December 14, 2009 Another update. Today it went for MOT test and still with the egr disabled it passed its emissions test with half of the last year and the previous years readings, so i have gone green! Alternator pulley has locked up though! Quote
gregers Posted December 14, 2009 Report Posted December 14, 2009 richard check this thread out,im aiming to do mine at the weekend.as long as the tool turns up?http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...amp;#entry95499 Quote
Michael_H Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 Hi, Lost power today towing caravan, couldnt get above 40mph and a fair bit of black smoke coming out the exhaust. Anyway got it back home and had a look roundand then heard tinny rattle, like turbo blades!. Let dealer have a look and he confirms turbo has gone, problem is, a replacement is Quote
Richard gal Posted December 15, 2009 Author Report Posted December 15, 2009 richard check this thread out,im aiming to do mine at the weekend.as long as the tool turns up?http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...amp;#entry95499 Made enquires and it seems mine could be any one of 3 versions and with the cost of a tool decided to remove the alternator and take it to some one who can get hold of the correct pulley and fit it at a good price. PS Ford (at least my dealer) do not now supply pulleys, only alternators... perhaps the time and tool cost isnt worth it to them? Quote
Bigjeeze Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 EGR valves clog up for the same reason as Turbo vanes sticking - not driving hard enough. Clean the EGR valve and re fit - then either do more mileage or at least thrash it at high revs every so often. I do a lot of mileage and invariably use the Cruise control and stick at 2.2K revs approx 70mph - I notice that when accelerating hard that it chucks out a lot of smoke - I then just drop in into 3rd - thrash it for a few miles and it clears and works fine. Mine has 153K on the clock. Give it a try - I am of the opinion that as clever as I think I am I am fairly sure the engineers at VW know what they are doing and why they put the egr valve in there. Quote
sepulchrave Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Greatly reduced emissions on startup is the answer you seek. Once running normally at operating temperature the EGR contributes little or nothing to emissions regulation. Lots of stop/start, slow traffic type driving clogs it and everything else up, i.e. the school run. Quote
Richard gal Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) The egr valve is there to reduce nitros oxides by "killing" flames with a little Co2 from the exhaust, and also stops a complete burn of your fuel, Hence my better emissions readings on the mot. Nitros oxides are not tested at MOT time in the uk. As for thrashing it clean, it gets little else!, and was under full load towing when the turbo gave up. Edited December 16, 2009 by Richard gal Quote
Bigjeeze Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 The egr valve is there to reduce nitros oxides by "killing" flames with a little Co2 from the exhaust, and also stops a complete burn of your fuel, Hence my better emissions readings on the mot. Nitros oxides are not tested at MOT time in the uk. As for thrashing it clean, it gets little else!, and was under full load towing when the turbo gave up. I am not an expert particularly on towing but I cannot believe that you allow your motor to run at max revs for long whilst towing - surely you drop into a higher gear asap? Even if you believe the EGR does nothing - why does it clog up? Quote
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