Guest Wanny Posted February 7, 2004 Report Posted February 7, 2004 Hi there, Just bought a 97 2.3 Ghia X gal knowing that the Central Locking was not functioning, when i got it home and started fiddling as you do. I noticed that the Alarm does not work along with the interior lights when the door is opened, I have found that the Anti thief module to be missing under the front passenger seat. I presume this was fitted to all gal's, and i am wondering if it was been remove because of the water damage thing under the front seat that seems a common problem. What I would like to know is do you think that is module will control the CL the Alarm and interior lights, the TIS seems to indicate that it has its hand in all of these ? I have quickly priced one Ford and it seems to be around Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 7, 2004 Report Posted February 7, 2004 Your correct in your assumption that the ecu under there passenger seat controls the central locking, the global closing, the courtesy light delay and the factory fitted alarm if fittedbefore you splash out buying the ecu give you VIN number to the dealer to make sure you get the correct ecu for your vehicle spec!they vary in price due the spec!also along side this ecu should be a single relay? I believe this is a load reduction relay that powers the rear hatch and fuel flap lock Quote
Guest Wanny Posted February 7, 2004 Report Posted February 7, 2004 Thanks Nimrod, The relay next to where ecu should be is present, and the fuel cap does still work when activated by the door lock ? Tailgate I'm not sure I'll check tomorrow. Quote
Zorro Posted February 7, 2004 Report Posted February 7, 2004 <_< Does anyone know whether there is a non-Ford option for replacing central locking/alarm module. Presumably Cobra, Toad etc. etc. supply modules that do the same thing???? Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 7, 2004 Report Posted February 7, 2004 After market companies can supply remote locking units that will operate the standard central locking, I have a Toad ai660 alarm (correct code nos ? iirc) fitted to my Galaxy as mine did not have the oe alarm fitted or remote locking <_< with this fitted I gained both a decent security system (well no one's broke in or stole the car yet! :lol: ) and remote locking with a fairly decent range on it!I believe you will need the oe central locking ecu still in place to operate the locks and courtesy light delay, but use an after market unit to provide the remote operation, the link provided by the late member Fredt seems to be a good option as it seems to be a straight plug in unit? with the remote part clipping onto the key and not a dangling key fob type Quote
Guest 2MPV Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 The Ghia X didn't have an alarm as standard, just a flashing light on the drivers door. Keep your scuttle drains clear to avoid water ingress!! Quote
Guest Wanny Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 I have the little sensors near the rear view mirror and the rear tailgate so i presume it had the alarm ? Quote
Guest 2MPV Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 Mine has the sensors as well, I think they are for the central locking, we had an aftermarket alarm fitted when the car was new. Maybe you can pick up an old alarm module the wiring is probably already there and then the sensors may come into their own!! Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 From info gathered off this forum I believe the sensors near the rear view mirror and the rear hatch are infra red receivers for the factory fitted remote controls!if the OE alarm is fitted I believe the sensors for this are mounted on the B post behind a bulge in the trim?easiest way to check if you Galaxy has the OE alarm fitted is to check under the bonnet, near the bonnet hinge on the passenger side should be a switch operated by the hinge mech? MPV2-all galaxy's have the flashing LED in the door panel its for the PATS system (immobiliser) although it does flash for the alarm but the PATS system has priority control of it Quote
Guest Wanny Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 I am pretty sure it has the factory fitted alarm ! So i think it will be worth investing in a replacement alarm anti theif module and key. I don't suppose anyone knows who good for breaking galaxy's or cheap ford parts. :rolleyes: Quote
seatkid Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 Correct me if I'm wrong but reading this thread, I get the impression we're talking about another car than the Shalalaxy! According to my knowledge - the central/remote locking/alarm and all timed functions are controlled by a multfunction module called GEM situated in the fuse box (containing the level 3 fuses). The remote locking is wireless operated (the infra red references in the manual are a total red herring!) and the radio receiver is in the GEM. I've no reason either to believe theres any external antenna associated with the receiver either, even though theres a reference to a mirror connection - after all the mirror is stuck to the glass out on its own. The factory fitted alarm has its ultrasonic movement sensors in the B door pillars - its obvious from the shape at the top of the pillars and the grille holes you can see there facing front and rear. Quote
Guest Wanny Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 Yeap ! Just checked, I two have the ultra sonic senors in the b post. I didn't receive a remote key with the vehicle & the Cl doesn't work as stated at the being of the tread. And upon invesigation there's something missing under the front passenger seat, I ve check on a friends 96 2.0 Ghia and he has a module under there. In the TIS it states that this is the Anti-thief alarm control module :rolleyes: Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 I think i'm lucky not to have an OE factory alarm fitted if it means haveing that great lump sticking out of the B post!the central locking ECU was moved up under the dash during one of the many system refurbs of the Galaxy IIRC it was around late 1998 that the unit was movedSeatkid the early remotes were infra red and had a real bad range! you had to have a clear line of sight to the reciever for them to work! where as the later radio remotes have a far greater range and you could try the Clarkson trick and hold the remote next to your head to increase the range! why does that work? Quote
Guest Wanny Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 If the range is really bad I guess its not worth the Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 Check out the earlier post about remote locking remote locking Quote
seatkid Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 Yep, you're right folks, I stand corrected :( - you need to replace the missing module under the passenger seat to restore your central locking and alarm and interior light functions. You don't need a remote key to operate the central locking/alarm.... :( Wanny must have the infra red version, I've checked mine - the alarm module appears to be under the passenger seat but my remote is definitely the radio type. Confused? I am (most of the time) :rolleyes: Quote
Guest karimata Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Hi I also have a faulty Central Locking Control Unit- (non alarm type) I appreciate the simplest way to get the locking and interior lights to work again would be to replace the module- but I'd be grateful if anyone can provide the pin-out for the connectors on the module or the loom wiring going to them. If we at least know which wires are going to the door locks then surely a full 'generic' remote central locking kit would be able to power them? Anyone with a wiring diagram??? Many thanks Quote
Guest Andyjflet Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 If I am not mistaken is that not a picture of the aftermarket speakers fitted for the DVD system, my new Galaxy ghia has sensors but nothing like those monstrosities Quote
Guest yurir Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 As an aside, are there really any benefits in having an alarm ? If the alarm is to stop the thief getting away with the car, wont the PATS immobilser cover that ? And if the alarm is to stop the thief taking stuff from the car, it will probably mean they already broken into car; is there anything in the car worth more than the cost to repair after the event ? As far as deterrence goes, would an actual alarm be any more effective than the PATS flashing LED ? Quote
Mussey1 Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 yurir, I agree.. most people ignore alarms anyway and by the time you hear the alarm the thief will probably have the radio ripped out anyway and the damage is done. My last car a 98 Passat had a votex alarm that kept going off by itself, so it just proved to be a pain in the ass. If a thief really wants your car they will simply mug you and steal the keys, carjack you or break into your house in the middle of the night to get them. It is probably safer for you and your family to let them take the car easily rather than waking up in the middle of the night to find some oik standing at the side if your bed saying 'where are the keys mate!!' Heard a story a few weeks ago about a woman driving a Toyota Picnic..pulled in to post a letter, kids were still in the car..two guys approached took her keys, chucked kids out of car and drove off. Don't think an alarm would have helped!!! Mussey1. Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 True the pats system should stop the thief from stealing your car but the added noise and time needed to get past and alarm in order to start the car should deter him even further! as for car jacking most good quality alarms have an anti jacking feature! where the car will stop at a set time after a door has been opened unless a secret switch is pushed! There was a system out that you had to touch certain parts of the car or switch things on or off in a certain order to get it started or keep it running if a door had been opened! Quote
Guest Wanny Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 I went to order a new central locking module today from under the front seat as mine is missing, got the shock of my life! Gizzer on the phone said the module was Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 The after market module's mentioned still need the original control box to be inplace for them to work, try asking if fitting the lower spec module would work if you fitted it? after all you only need the central locking part and the curtesy light control and then at a later date fit an aftermarket alarm or remote locking at you leisure Quote
Guest nimrod Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 If I am not mistaken is that not a picture of the aftermarket speakers fitted for the DVD system, my new Galaxy ghia has sensors but nothing like those monstrosities as far i'm aware they are the alarm sensors! in the sales brouchure it shows the great ugly lumps sticking out of the B post on a model with the non solid head rests and not on the picture of the model fiited with the multi media system! Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 They only look great and ugly on that wide-angled photo. In real life, they are comparatively small and discrete.Multimedia system is illustrated, presumably, on a non-UK spec car - alarm system is not standard in all countries (even on the Ghia trim level). Quote
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