Start Up Noise 2.3

[Guest Darren]

When I start my galaxy up it some times makes a hell of a noise Ithink it may be the stater motor not disengaging

 

Has any one else had this problem before?

 

 

Ta

 

Darren

(one of the Northampton Galaxy brigade)

[Guest shackers]

Hi Darren;

 

You say some times? Is it when the car is idling, cold, warmed up. What type of engine have you and the Year, if pos. Is your galaxy [assuming it is a Galaxy] a diesel or Petrol and when was the last time the Timing belt [diesel] Chain looked at. What area of the vehicle is the noise coming from...

 

chat soon

 

shackers

[oioisavaloy]

Is it a grateing noise or a thud or a whistle or a whine?

 

SAV

[Guest exemplum]

Hi Darren

 

I have exactly the same problem, usually when engine is cold. I have a 1998 2.3 GhiaX manual, and it has been a problem for the last year. Also, at the same school where I drop my kids off, there is an identical Galaxy to mine, right down to the same model and colour, It too has exactly the same terrible noise on startup.

 

It sounds like it the solenoid not dis-engaging quickly enough

 

Regards

 

Rob.

AKA R546 SMJ

[Guest silvermachine]

Can only join in with the problem I am afraid. I have had 3 galaxys, current one is a 2.3 ghia x on a 'w' plate but old shape, and this is the only one that has had the noise (also sends 'buzz' down the clutch pedal).

 

Its been to the dealer who could not replicate the fault - to be fair it is intermittant and only, at the moment, from a cold start. They said that the diagnostics could not find a fault when it was tested.....

 

I would tend to agree with starter motor, as I have worked on older cars this sounds like when the starter motor does not disengage quickly enough and it gets caught up on the starter ring - is this the function of the solenoid to disengage it?

 

Dont fancy taking out the starter - if it gets worse I will take it back in and get the dealer to hold onto it for a few days to see if they can pick up the fault. Any news will be passed on

[Guest Darren]

Well mines a 1998!

2.3 !!

Ghia X!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

spookie!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Well in the next couple of days providing the weathers ok I will be stripping the Starter motor down

 

I will let you know how i get on

 

Darren :(

[Guest Scott]

Add me to the list. My '99 2.3 GhiaX does the same, intermittent & from cold. ~ Scott

[Guest silvermachine]

its on a 2000 plate but manufactured in 1998....

 

will watch this space for Darrens update

[Guest Scott]

I had a repeat of this when going out this morning except...

It didn't happen on starting, I stopped 50yds across the yard & got out to talk to someone leaving the engine running quietly - we were both standing by the bonnet when the noise started up. It went on for about 30 secs. I don't see this being the starter motor. ~ Scott

[Guest Darren]

Scott

 

Check your idler pulley on the Alternator belt

 

My belt 'come off' whilst driving home last night i spent over 2 hours on the Hard shoulder of the M1 waiting for recovery

 

I reffitted an new belt the found it sliipped off whilst revving the engine(This made a screehing noise)

found that the idler pully bearing had collapsed replace this (eaiser said than done!!!!!!!!!!)

 

seems to have don the trick

Be aware this belt drives power streering, water pump and others

 

 

The noise upon start up is still there as i prevously said i will strip the starter motor down very soon

 

 

Darren

[Guest Geordie_Steve]

Same for me,99(T) 2.3 Zetec. If there's so many owners of 2.3's with this problem my money would go on Ford knowing of the problem and course of it.

 

Steve

[Nick]

Add me as well - 1.9tdi GhiaX 1997. Problem is intermittent, started over a year ago and sounds terrible! Ford main dealer said they could not find a fault but greased the battery terminals which would help!!?? Said I had a weak cell :( Crap!

It hasn't appeared to get any worse or effect cranking/starting in any way. I underastand a new starter motor to be around

[jvernon]

Hi Darren!

My 2.8i 1999 (T) knocks on startup, but only after being left for approx. 10 hours. Is this similar to your problem? does anyone else have this problem or know what it is?

 

P.S This has become worse since the car was serviced using 5W/30 engine oil. :D

[Guest SA Intruder]

Hydraulic Tappets and/or crank bearings.

 

Change oil and filter for genuine articles.

 

Some aftermarket filters lack a non-return valve that prevents oil running back into sump.

 

Make sure oil is grade SL or later.

[jvernon]

Oil used was GTX protection plus 5W30-is this ok? What do you mean by grade SL?

[Guest SA Intruder]

Try this for masses of info.

 

http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbibles/e...eoil_bible.html

[jvernon]

Where is the non-return valve? I can't find anything about it on the TIS cd?

[Guest SA Intruder]

It's inside the oil filter.

 

If you use cheap pattern parts of dubious origin, you may get problems...

 

For the sake of a couple of quid

 

To quote from another forum I use:

 

"When I first got my 1990 827si with approx. 58,000 on the clock there was this tapping noise coming from the what I presumed was the tappets, it would only do it when the engine was cold in the mornings etc. So I changed the oil, good oil Duckhams 10/40 and a new oil filter from my local car spares shop, fine no tapping noises until the next day it started again, I put it down to wear it was some time after this I was down the main dealer I decided to buy another oil filter. There are two types for this engine a Japanese one costing about

[Guest Darren]

Okay

 

I managed to pull the starter motor off and checked it all over

Pulled the bendix forward and gave a spray of WD40 wipped of excess

Cleaned all terminals

Put back on and no Noise when staring up ( Tried 10 times) :huh:

Touch wood i may have cured it

 

One thing i did notice was there was at least 2-3mm end float on the bendix (My Galaxy has done some miles ) Is this comman to others with the noise

 

If this comes back I will obatain a new starter motor

 

I will of course let you all know

[Ketchup]

 

Hi all

My first post here. My 2.3 (98 model) does the same thing on start up, no matter if its a cold start or when warm. It makes a horrid shriek like whine for aproximately a second. Its not a belt slipping , it is definetly the starter motor- are your noises the same ?

 

As for Darren , how long did it take you to remove, clean and replace your starter motor and has the noise stopped since you've done it?

[Guest Darren]

Its been a week since i striped the motor down and no noise

 

It to about 1.5 hours in total

 

All i done was spray the bendix withWD40 wiped of excess and reassembled

[Ketchup]

My first car ever was a 1972 1100cc Ford Escort, white 2 door babe magnet (yea-rite)

She too had the bendix problem, sounded similar- and a regreasing of that end of the starter motor did the trick.

 

Some things just dont change - but its nice to make sure anyhow- thanx Darren

[Guest yurir]

For interest, I had a similar problem.

 

The noise was a clatter, just for the moment of starting... thought for a time it was the hydraulic tappets pumping up... lived with this for months.

 

But one day the the engine wouldn't crank... you could hear the motor spinning, and it made a horrible noise, but it wasn't turning the engine.

 

Turned out to be starter motor... the pinion had decoupled from the motor shaft. According to the mech, this was becasue the solenoid had been operating the motor before engaging the pinion with the starter ring on the flywheel... and the engagement jolt had broken the flexible coupling between the pinion and rotor... and damaged the pinion and starter ring teeth too...

 

Fortunately the damage to the starter ring wasn't too severe, but if this is the cause, it's something you want checked out sooner rather than later... new motor with solenoid costs

[Guest yurir]

Further on this topic,

 

Had some trouble with the auto gearbox recently... nothing major, a wire broken, but the starter motor had to come off... and the mechanic claimed the following...

 

Alledgedly my Galaxy has the wrong type of starter fitted; he says there's a different one for the 2.0, 2.3 & 2.8, and also between the manual and auto variants.

Anyway, according him the pinion is not meshing with the starter ring properly, which will lead to excessive wear, and noisy starting in the near future.

Furthermore, on autos, the starter ring is on the outer housing of the torque convertor, so if that wears out (hasn't yet, whew), the convertor will need replacing (~

[Guest SA Intruder]

The starter ring gear on autos is on the driveplate, not the torque converter.

 

The starter drive pinions between autos and manuals is identical.

 

The starter motor on Ford engines and VW engines IS different, since the engine ring gear on the flywheel/driveplate have different pitches and O/D.

 

So if you have a 2.0 or 2.3L petrol engine, the starter is different to that fitted to the VW 2.0L engine.

 

The starter on V6 and diesels are much higher rated, and wouldn't work correctly outside their application.

 

I would recommend you consult the Intermotor or Delco catalogues for the correct motor to fit your partcular vehicle exactly.

 

By the way, if the meshing or engagement of the starter/ringgear is incorrect, you will get a bloody awful racket, and the teeth will wear very quickly. Normally, the teeth on both the ring gear and the starter pinion would outlast the vehicle.