How To Double The Fuel Economy Of Your Galaxy

[seatkid]

OMG! It's down to ONLY 52.8mpg!

Must....take...more....Millers.....diesel.....booster....snake-oil.....

Edited September 2, 2007 by seatkid

[mumof4]

You really should dust that dash hun. :35:

[Bigjeeze]

Bigjeeze.

 

Thank you for you wonderfull reply! [noting you are a mod]

 

"you complain of posters english" Really when? lets get this bit straight shall we, i do not recall complaining

about anyones english?

 

I did note however the same theme was repeated over and over again, where person/s could not "comprehend "

the context of my post, no matter how clearly i made the distinction, between average [long term] and touring!

 

"Complain about people sticking togeather" No, that is what you have obviously been brought up to think.

I note things,i do not complain, i remark, which maybe something you mis understand. but there is a difference.

 

I recall mentioning two names only! unless everybody on here has multiple ids, that is a long way

short of everybody!, but that statement does nicely fit in with the exaggeration theme that seems so strong

with a few of the poster!

 

 

"Arrogant" I will except that in the context it should have been made in, thereby yes i would seem arrogant

I would use the same arrogance talking to a quick fit fitter if he tried to pull the wool over my eyes.

 

Yes you are right this is a site for amateurs, i had fogotten that, but then there are some others

who seem to think they are "experts" when clearly they are not! and believe they have some

god givenright not to be challenged!.

 

And no mumof4 is not right,as yet again you use a cliches, inaccurately.! which is poor grammar,which

is not the same as poor english, which is the spoken tongue!

 

This brings me back to my first language, whether it is or is not is irrelevent,as my sentance above shows you really

should not make assertations or bring to the forefront others posters grammar skills. Unless that is to

belittle them? in which case, may i piont out to you that persons who have english as a second tongue, and can

actually use its grammar, are usually far superior in the grammar than....... well than me!

 

Clearly making your assertatins concerning me, incorrect and insulting.!

 

 

You also foolishly make the link [distinction] with long term posters sticking togeather, again Only two were

strongly involved, and i see a few [long term members] had a different opinion, although i accept they were in no way

as arrogant is i.

 

But believe it or not, what really gets my goat more than any of the above is the acceptance of words like "toss" a derogatory remark

which is meant as a belittling remark, and your attack on my grammar skills which in the light of some of the launguage used is

dam right insulting..

 

Everything else you wrote i more than accept and agree with.

 

regards gio, who maybe should use a spell check but arrogance stops him from doing so.

 

 

 

I think Gio, that you should sit back and think this one through. I remarked on your English, not to belittle or insult you but because to me it appears that English is not your first language and that you may either have trouble correctly expressing yourself or that you may misunderstand something. I am suitably chastened for incorrectly quoting you - I did make an error - something to which we are all - including you prone to do and for that I apologise.

 

The point of the debate is as I understand that Seatkid and others believe that their Gals can achieve 50+ mpg on average use - your point is that they are wrong.

 

You also state that mumof4 is wrong to say that individual vehicles will behave differently as the tolerances are so similar , Well have you not taken into account that apart from tyres, tyre pressures, state of tune, Clean Air Filters,tracking , weight - ie of passengers,and perhaps most importantly - driving style or otherwise will all have a large effect on this "Tolerance" ? It doesn't appear that you have.

 

All that is required here is a little tolerance of other peoples ideas and opinions - prove them wrong if you can but don't take it personally or make it personal.

 

 

Yes, I am a Mod - Not sure what your point is - but it certainly doesn't affect what you or I say.

 

Keep contributing , keep teaching and learning - that is why this site is here .

[gio]

OMG! It's down to ONLY 52.8mpg!

Must....take...more....Millers.....diesel.....booster....snake-oil.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://fuel-guide-to.com/topics/diesel-fuel-economy.html. This should be helpfull to you.

Or you may indeed be helpfull to others.....

[gio]

Bigjeeze.

 

Thank you for you wonderfull reply! [noting you are a mod]

 

"you complain of posters english" Really when? lets get this bit straight shall we, i do not recall complaining

about anyones english?

 

I did note however the same theme was repeated over and over again, where person/s could not "comprehend "

the context of my post, no matter how clearly i made the distinction, between average [long term] and touring!

 

"Complain about people sticking togeather" No, that is what you have obviously been brought up to think.

I note things,i do not complain, i remark, which maybe something you mis understand. but there is a difference.

 

I recall mentioning two names only! unless everybody on here has multiple ids, that is a long way

short of everybody!, but that statement does nicely fit in with the exaggeration theme that seems so strong

with a few of the poster!

 

 

"Arrogant" I will except that in the context it should have been made in, thereby yes i would seem arrogant

I would use the same arrogance talking to a quick fit fitter if he tried to pull the wool over my eyes.

 

Yes you are right this is a site for amateurs, i had fogotten that, but then there are some others

who seem to think they are "experts" when clearly they are not! and believe they have some

god givenright not to be challenged!.

 

And no mumof4 is not right,as yet again you use a cliches, inaccurately.! which is poor grammar,which

is not the same as poor english, which is the spoken tongue!

 

This brings me back to my first language, whether it is or is not is irrelevent,as my sentance above shows you really

should not make assertations or bring to the forefront others posters grammar skills. Unless that is to

belittle them? in which case, may i piont out to you that persons who have english as a second tongue, and can

actually use its grammar, are usually far superior in the grammar than....... well than me!

 

Clearly making your assertatins concerning me, incorrect and insulting.!

 

 

You also foolishly make the link [distinction] with long term posters sticking togeather, again Only two were

strongly involved, and i see a few [long term members] had a different opinion, although i accept they were in no way

as arrogant is i.

 

But believe it or not, what really gets my goat more than any of the above is the acceptance of words like "toss" a derogatory remark

which is meant as a belittling remark, and your attack on my grammar skills which in the light of some of the launguage used is

dam right insulting..

 

Everything else you wrote i more than accept and agree with.

 

regards gio, who maybe should use a spell check but arrogance stops him from doing so.

 

 

 

I think Gio, that you should sit back and think this one through. I remarked on your English, not to belittle or insult you but because to me it appears that English is not your first language and that you may either have trouble correctly expressing yourself or that you may misunderstand something. I am suitably chastened for incorrectly quoting you - I did make an error - something to which we are all - including you prone to do and for that I apologise.

 

The point of the debate is as I understand that Seatkid and others believe that their Gals can achieve 50+ mpg on average use - your point is that they are wrong.

 

You also state that mumof4 is wrong to say that individual vehicles will behave differently as the tolerances are so similar , Well have you not taken into account that apart from tyres, tyre pressures, state of tune, Clean Air Filters,tracking , weight - ie of passengers,and perhaps most importantly - driving style or otherwise will all have a large effect on this "Tolerance" ? It doesn't appear that you have.

 

All that is required here is a little tolerance of other peoples ideas and opinions - prove them wrong if you can but don't take it personally or make it personal.

 

 

Yes, I am a Mod - Not sure what your point is - but it certainly doesn't affect what you or I say.

 

Keep contributing , keep teaching and learning - that is why this site is here .

 

 

I take your piont/s. I am not here to "prove" people wrong or right,and yes indeed the elements you mention

do indeed make a difference to the mpg, and no i did not overlook them,i replied to the post of mumof4 and her

remarks, which i took to mean out of the box so to speak! clearly if anything i have indeed expected that the

owners of these cars do maintain them to a decent degree as to make the difference very very small indeed.

 

Now how on earth do you prove someone anyone wrong? on this matter? you cannot.

And how do you prove me wrong? again you cannot, a picture of a trip computer showing 53mpg? Please we all know how to

reset them, and please tell me you believe that the trip readings are near as dam it correct? tell me you believe they are within

3% and i will indeed except it and shut up.....But do not say it just to shut me up.....

 

Infact the lastest showing is clearly the tdi,sorry thought they were pds, and the tdi's are renowned for being

10% plus out! just go and search a vw forum!

Edited September 2, 2007 by gio

[seatkid]

please tell me you believe that the trip readings are near as dam it correct? tell me you believe they are within

3% and i will indeed except it and shut up.....

How about

 

1. Brim tank

 

2. Reset trip computer

 

3. Check mileometer readings against a industrial grade gps system of known accuracy

 

4. Keep all fuel bills for a minimum of 5000 miles / several tanks

 

5. Brim tank

 

6. Use a calculator......miles divided by gallons purchased........

 

7. COMPARE WITH TRIP COMPUTER

 

8. Repeat exercise until satisfied....noting spread of results......

 

 

I never once said that all trip computers are accurate, I even gave you the figures I measured for my Skoda to show that it was inaccurate by up to 5%

 

You make some basic errors in your arguements, for instance, speedometer readings are not connected with trip mileage or mpg calculations - the software doesnt work that way. Speedometers always by law must indicate greater than or equal to actual speed and are gain programmable by the manufacturers at the ecu level to account for different wheel diameter and transmission ratios.

 

Mileage and fuel consumption calculation is a seperate unrelated process.

 

Infact the lastest showing is clearly the tdi,sorry thought they were pds, and the tdi's are renowned for being

10% plus out! just go and search a vw forum!

So now everyones an expert........ :35:

 

Even if it was 10% out (which it is not) then it still is 48mpg - 58mpg

 

Oh.....that man in uniform is knocking at the door again..... :D

 

 

must....get.....last....word......in...... :o :lol: :lol: :16: :35: :o :D :P

[big_kev]

 

 

 

Is it just me or does Seatkid's bamma have a serious Oil, Charging and Brake problem ?

Edited September 2, 2007 by big_kev

[seatkid]

Yeah, my rear lights don't work either and its saying I need a service....

 

But I'll get round to that later.....after all its only a Yugo........ :35:

[big_kev]

.....after all its only a Yugo........ :35:

 

Yugo......??

 

 

 

Should this be "You go...."

 

 

 

I assume English is not your first language mate !

[gio]

seatkid, do not recall talking about speedos! solely trip computers.

 

" Basic errors" whilst i like you description of the functions concerning ecu

and different gear ratios ect ect.

They actually have nothing to do with the debate, "strange i hear you say"

but its not, all you are doing is expandind the debate outward, although it does look

good and technical and correct. never the less non applicable.

 

You see the ecu trip computer setting are the same for example. a 15 inch fitted tyre

and the 16 inch fitted tyre. have the SAME circumferance [you will note that i mean the assumed same circumferance]

 

Here lies the problem. i have said this before but different makes of tyre

although given the same size rating, can indeed be plus or minus 1.5%

The ecu cannot be programmed for that.

 

Also whilst the trip computer is there to serve a task, its accuracy is alway

going to be questionable until they rely on gps, which they do not at present.

and your assumption that a speedo is inaccurate [correct] but the trip computer is

more accurate? no, a speedo by law has set perimeters a trip computer does not

it can be as inaccurate and more so than any speedo as no laws apply to it.

And would any car manufacturer want it to be that accurate? no they would

not its only a guide.

 

And your 10% assumption that 53 mpg is 48-58 mpg range is incorrect because again

you use the assumption that it is a plus or minus, but it is not, the trip over reads,

if working normally, and does not under read.

 

Now i have tried to explain myself a little better, so lets assume you are indeed

the owner of a very accurate trip computer and it is aliegned pretty well to

what ever tyres you have, ok? but there are others on here as well, so then i have to

assume that they believe their systems are as accurate as yours?and therefore lies

the problem.

 

So it would seem,

 

Everybody has what is the best/accurate tripcomputer,from a tripcomputer not known for it

 

Whats the odds of that? and they have checked it against there own calculations as well.

so they know its correct!!!!

 

 

 

 

Amazing really......

[seatkid]

seatkid, do not recall talking about speedos! solely trip computers.

 

You have selective memory syndrome.

 

 

 

I give up. :35:

[big_kev]

I calcuated my mpg from fuel in miles done average 42.3mpg

 

Although it agreed with my computer 42.2mpg ( more or less the same ).

 

Therefore I assume my computer is fairly accurate and I would assume others show the same accuracy.

[gio]

seatkid, do not recall talking about speedos! solely trip computers.

 

You have selective memory syndrome.

 

 

 

I give up. :D

 

 

Clearly if i did say what you claimed, you could show me the thread, to back it up..no? can you not find it?

niether can i!

[big_kev]

My speedos less than 2 miles over reading, my trip computer is 8% over note was almost

10% till i changed my tyres [have falken on the front 1.6% larger circumferance than that

stayted as average for 15 inches tyres [mine are 16s] still 1% larger than those.

 

Your speedo is over reading by 4% so it would be amazing if you trip was only 3% out!

and your mileometer was near as dam it spot on!

 

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[gregers]

thought id see if there was any milage left in this thread.........................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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no thought not :lol: ;)

Edited September 3, 2007 by gregers

[gio]

My speedos less than 2 miles over reading, my trip computer is 8% over note was almost

10% till i changed my tyres [have falken on the front 1.6% larger circumferance than that

stayted as average for 15 inches tyres [mine are 16s] still 1% larger than those.

 

Your speedo is over reading by 4% so it would be amazing if you trip was only 3% out!

and your mileometer was near as dam it spot on!

 

Highlighted relevant points

 

 

yes i take your piont,but i was in tyre mode, and that still holds true.the tryes will effect everything, speedo, mileometer and trip

computer.. that was the piont i was trying to make.

 

So please tell me you disagree....

[seatkid]

I used to think only MO4 dragged on topics for thousands of posts...... :16:

 

I have not only original manufacturer's spec. tyres, (Conti Sport Contact 215 60 H15 95) but actually the originally supplied tyres on the front....(yes!.....78000 miles!)...... ;)

 

They are down to less than 3mm tread ....so.......the circumference has changed by 0.78247% ....so...... my trip computer will be out by 0.4mpg compared to my initial measurements. This is well within the 3% spread I originally quoted! :lol:

 

The fact that someone else drives around on fisher-price tyres is of no interest to me. :16:

 

Oh...I did a run into town today.....only 56.5 mpg :( :P :P :P :P ....could have got more but for the traffic lights and a bit of misjudged approach to a couple of roundabouts.... ;)

 

Hey......and you should my see my new Corsa mpg numbers......boy.....they are unbelievable!! .....as far as Gio is concerned..... :16:

 

 

My posts are only to illustrate that the Original Poster - Johnswlondon - has given advice that can give real and useful increases in fuel economy.

 

The trouble with sport is there are losers as well as winners....something that Ferrari cannot accept........

[gio]

I used to think only MO4 dragged on topics for thousands of posts...... ;)

 

I have not only original manufacturer's spec. tyres, (Conti Sport Contact 215 60 H15 95) but actually the originally supplied tyres on the front....(yes!.....78000 miles!)...... ;)

 

They are down to less than 3mm tread ....so.......the circumference has changed by 0.78247% ....so...... my trip computer will be out by 0.4mpg compared to my initial measurements. This is well within the 3% spread I originally quoted! :lol:

 

The fact that someone else drives around on fisher-price tyres is of no interest to me. :16:

 

Oh...I did a run into town today.....only 56.5 mpg :( :P :P :P :P ....could have got more but for the traffic lights and a bit of misjudged approach to a couple of roundabouts.... :16:

 

Hey......and you should my see my new Corsa mpg numbers......boy.....they are unbelievable!! .....as far as Gio is concerned..... :16:

 

 

My posts are only to illustrate that the Original Poster - Johnswlondon - has given advice that can give real and useful increases in fuel economy.

 

The trouble with sport is there are losers as well as winners....something that Ferrari cannot accept........

 

I do not think you should answer for me do you? the corsa, if new is using the 1.3 mjet engine [an award winning engine]

The corsa does not weigh two tonnes, does not have the frontal area of a brickwall either so if you can get 56mpg out of

the inferrior tdi engine running a lowish topgear of arount 27 mph/1000 rpm. them i assume 80 plus should be easy for

the little corsa.

 

Are you sure you missed judged the lights? could it have been that they changed from red to green and back again before

you could get the galaxy to cross the junction..... :P

[big_kev]

Are you sure you missed judged the lights? could it have been that they changed from red to green and back again before

you could get the galaxy to cross the junction..... :16:

 

 

:lol: :16: ;)

 

 

I liked that one !

[gregers]

i waz rong there is mileage in this thread :lol:

 

The fact that someone else drives around on fisher-price tyres is of no interest to me.

 

wish i could use corgi or matchbox with 3 boys ive got hundreds of em :16:

 

all joking apart this thread has been very informative for,s and against.there are on this forum some very knowledgeable people who have a vast understanding of how to mend vehicles in general new and old members included,and this forum is here to help out everyone who wants to obtain help or just have a bit of a laugh NOW WIND YOUR NECKS IN this isnt about whos got the biggest gonads.or great big wobbly bits(thats for the ladies)oh and you maz ;)

 

lets keep it sweet without trying to score points off of one another.

Edited September 3, 2007 by gregers

[seatkid]

Nah!.....I smell victory on the final lap......... ;)

 

My Alhambra weighs 1734 kg, my Corsa weighs 1255kg

 

IIRC the Alhambra has a Cd of 0.34 and the Corsa 0.33

 

All of this mumbo jumbo is academic irrellevance as Cd has no noticeable effect driving round town and weight is of little relevence too when you are an expert in the PRESERVATION OF MOMENTUM.....That is, of course, unless you drive like an Italian....... :16:

 

And yes, I know the Corsa has a Fiat :lol: engine, so I am half expecting it to break down tommorow........

[mumof4]

this isnt about whos got the biggest gonads.

 

Well it aint me coz i aint got any :lol: :16:

[gregers]

soz maz ill edit it :lol:

[mumof4]

.or great big wobbly bits(thats for the ladies)oh and you maz :lol:

 

Oi!.My rear aint that big!..Only a partial eclipse when i bend over! :16:

[gregers]

that maybe but i bet its seen some mileage :lol: :16: ;) :16: :16: :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

;)