mumof4 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Posted August 29, 2007 Well i use engine braking....so i assume that saves a wee bit of fuel. :lol:
gio Posted August 30, 2007 Report Posted August 30, 2007 The good old lie detector! mate i get more than 53 mpg on my lie detector. but never get that in real life.That may well be with yours gio, but I checked mine regularly over the first 20,000 miles and found it to be accurate +/- 3%. Also checked speed/distance calibration found speedometer < 3mph optimistic up to 75 mph and odometer accurate as near as dammit. Used my firm's GPS gear as reference. Unusual, granted. And I get 800 miles per tank...... Let's face it, some guy's are born with a special touch.....ask my wife :16: My Skoda's speedometer is on the other hand a full 10% high over its range and its fuel trip computer is between 5 - 10% optimistic :unsure: ? confused here, remembering an older post, you claimed that youaveraged 53 mpg over 5000 miles, but you have actually done in excess of 20000 miles! So what is your average for the other 15000 miles. As for your claim that you trip computer is accurate to 3% !Sorry, i am assuming that you have 15 inch wheels [make not difference if there 16s] My speedos less than 2 miles over reading, my trip computer is 8% over note was almost10% till i changed my tyres [have falken on the front 1.6% larger circumferance than thatstayted as average for 15 inches tyres [mine are 16s] still 1% larger than those. Your speedo is over reading by 4% so it would be amazing if you trip was only 3% out!and your mileometer was near as dam it spot on! I say this as you seem to have everything covered but the tyres! which make a hell of a diference,something you missed.
seatkid Posted August 30, 2007 Report Posted August 30, 2007 (edited) Your speedo is over reading by 4% so it would be amazing if you trip was only 3% out!and your mileometer was near as dam it spot on! I say this as you seem to have everything covered but the tyres! which make a hell of a diference,something you missed.gio....forget I ever mentioned mpg....you (and maybe others) will argue with me until the cows come home....I guess my style provokes that.... :16: You don't believe me...thats tough...I run a company that designs and manufacture measurement equipment to traceable calibration standards, I think I know what I am doing when it comes to measurement....... Its sad there are people who take things far too seriously and personaly even when a few smilies are thrown in to lighten the atmosphere... :unsure: This is my last comment on the subject :16: , except to say that if I were ever to attend a meet (unlikely), I would gladly help organise an economy run challenge. :P :P :P :P :P The World Record (in a VW Golf 1.6Fsi Petrol!) On April 4th 2006, Shell and John and Helen Taylor set a new World Record for fuel efficiency, having driven for 78 days, 28,970 kilometres (18,000 miles), across 25 countries, using just 24 tanks of fuel and averaging an impressive 22.2 kilometres per litre (62.7 miles per gallon (European)/ 52.3 miles per gallon (US)). Along the way they faced some of the toughest road conditions they Edited August 30, 2007 by seatkid
big_kev Posted August 30, 2007 Report Posted August 30, 2007 Its sad there are people who take things far too seriously and personaly even when a few smilies are thrown in to lighten the atmosphere... :unsure: Yep .....some people can't be told !
mumof4 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 I think lads this topic has just about met its end....lot of egos jostling around in it and testosterone flying around.... :48: Smilies are there to maybe take the edge away from something that may otherwise sound condescending etc.........but in the land of forums different peeps can read one sentance and think the tone of the sentance can be different..thats why smilies are important in places such as this where it is populated by a lot of egos. :unsure: :16: and some nice peeps aswell :16: It is very hard to change someones opinion or belief in something without them seeing cold hard facts or seeing for themselves that what they think is right may actually be wrong...Been a good yak though. This is my last comment on the subject , except to say that if I were ever to attend a meet (unlikely), I would gladly help organise an economy run challenge. Now that would be interesting to see!!..all those who claim to get the better mpg out of their vehicles could either prove themselves right or wrong.
Smilge Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 A good discussion I thought ........ but you all forgot one thing......... When you earn as much money as I do ... who cares what mpg you get ...... :unsure:
mikej Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 (edited) I too thought this was a decent discussion with the usual banter and nothing more . People will make their own minds up and at the end of the day and will opt for whatever they feel suits their needs at the time , i was simply voicing my own opinions of what i thought was a option for some of us . I for one have been quite suprised how versatile this type of bus has been and i can assure you it has a hammering every day . I shall definately be considering another after this maybe the 150 bhp diesel as i miss the shear pulling power or torque lets just hope its as reliable and economical as the petrol , time will tell . Anyway this is what forums are all about discussion and individual opinions and i have no probs with any members on here after all we are all here to help each other. :48: :16: :unsure: :16: :P :P hope thats enough smiles. Edited August 31, 2007 by mikej
gio Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 (edited) I think lads this topic has just about met its end....lot of egos jostling around in it and testosterone flying around.... :31: Smilies are there to maybe take the edge away from something that may otherwise sound condescending etc.........but in the land of forums different peeps can read one sentance and think the tone of the sentance can be different..thats why smilies are important in places such as this where it is populated by a lot of egos. :lol: :31: and some nice peeps aswell :44: It is very hard to change someones opinion or belief in something without them seeing cold hard facts or seeing for themselves that what they think is right may actually be wrong...Been a good yak though. This is my last comment on the subject , except to say that if I were ever to attend a meet (unlikely), I would gladly help organise an economy run challenge. Now that would be interesting to see!!..all those who claim to get the better mpg out of their vehicles could either prove themselves right or wrong. Well i am sorry if some think i went too far ! but most of all i am sorry that seatkid, thought it best to start on a similar subject than actually answera straight forward question like what did you average for the other 15000 miles! It wasn't a hard question to answer, not given his background, but instead decided to offer a stupid challengethat he has no intention of making happen? Yes, some take it far too serious, but then you did make some outlandish claims,and forgot what you had said previously!So yes why should i not be suspicious, when you are unwilling to answer the small matter of the missing 15000 miles mpg! Whatever i post i am always willing to be challenged, proved wrong,or anything inbetween....You could learn something from that........... Edited August 31, 2007 by gio
mumof4 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 did i say that you had gone too far???..i used smilies to show i wasnt having a go at anyone. my comments were aimed at no one in particular.so please dont take offence where none was intended.
gio Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 did i say that you had gone too far???..i used smilies to show i wasnt having a go at anyone. my comments were aimed at no one in particular.so please dont take offence where none was intended. Thanks....
Bigjeeze Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 Well without wishing to start again - 53mpg is easy to obtain - OK for me perhaps it would mean more motorway driving than town - but if I put my mind to it I can do it - so could any Diesel owner.
big_kev Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 A good discussion I thought ........ but you all forgot one thing......... When you earn as much money as I do ... who cares what mpg you get ...... :lol: What do you do then Bleeno..........any jobs going ?
NikpV Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 Well without wishing to start again - 53mpg is easy to obtain - OK for me perhaps it would mean more motorway driving than town - but if I put my mind to it I can do it - so could any Diesel owner. probably with a manual but with the auto we've only managed about 49mpg once (20 mile journey)
gio Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 Well without wishing to start again - 53mpg is easy to obtain - OK for me perhaps it would mean more motorway driving than town - but if I put my mind to it I can do it - so could any Diesel owner. All you would have to do is tuck in behind a artic, but that was never the piont,and easy it is not. The piont was this is an average mpg, day in day out all road conditions summer and winter [mpg falls in winter driving] Which for a bus the size of the galaxy and its weight is a fantastic ave mpg, unless that is you do not drive ina considerate way and hold up everyone including milk floats.... Touring mpg, ok thats touring thats long distances, where you can offset the poorer mpg from the cold engine orthe rural run. but average 53mpg, day in and day out? from a galaxy? yer right .me best i got was 50mpg over a 514 mile run from italy to luxemburg, i could do better i think but not for one momentwould i claim to be better than someone else at getting great mpg, only a fool would make such claims. And anyone who thinks there trip computer is accurate to within 6% or so, must believe the harry potter stories. too.. :lol:
gregers Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 And anyone who thinks there trip computer is accurate to within 6% or so, must believe the harry potter stories. too.. laugh.gif WHAT YOU MEAN THERE NOT REAL???????????? :31: :lol: :44:
mumof4 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Posted August 31, 2007 well i could average 53mpg in my diesel gal..took pics on my phone aswell.it is easy to achieve and i spent a lot of time finding the optimum speed for high mpg...and no it wasnt crawling along the motorway or hiding behind an arctic..those who know how i drive would vouch for that.
big_kev Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 but not for one moment would i claim to be better than someone else at getting great mpg, only a fool would make such claims. You're better than me at getting great mpg ...... :rolleyes:
gio Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 well i could average 53mpg in my diesel gal..took pics on my phone aswell.it is easy to achieve and i spent a lot of time finding the optimum speed for high mpg...and no it wasnt crawling along the motorway or hiding behind an arctic..those who know how i drive would vouch for that. Sorry that is not an answer.You either do or you don't. AVERAGE. just incase its something some seem to have forgotten. is when you take all the miles you have done, divide it by the fuel used to find your average. Average. is not going along at a steady speed once the bus is warmed up and talking photo shots of the trip computer ![which is not that accurate in the first instance] ! In otherwords i am sure you can get 53 mpg up on the trip computer. alas your not even getting 50mpg. and please do not come back at me with miles divided by tank fill up, cause yey again someone has tried to usethe trip computer as difinative proof!!!!!!!!!!! and it aint accurate enough to be used for anything other thanentertainment!
big_kev Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 Toys are well out the pram now ! :rolleyes:
mumof4 Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 Doubt me all you like gio..i know what i did and no i didnt always go on the trip computer and i see no need to justify myself to you or anyone else for that matter in what i could achieve in the Gal....And no i didnt cruise at a constant speed and so what if i took a pic of the trip computer.I spent a long time working out the optimum speed for the highest miles per gallon and the diesel gal can quite happily do over 53mpg either by manualy working it out or via the trip computer.My ego doesnt need strokeing by putting up facts and figures....i know what i did and i really dont give a toss if you believe me or not.The fact i know is enough for me. Yes i used the trip computer and used what it said against what i worked out in regards to miles and fuel used.I would fill her up when she was bottom of the red..then reset the milage indictor..then i would work it out against the trip computer and see how the results panned out.
gio Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 Doubt me all you like gio..i know what i did and no i didnt always go on the trip computer and i see no need to justify myself to you or anyone else for that matter in what i could achieve in the Gal....And no i didnt cruise at a constant speed and so what if i took a pic of the trip computer.I spent a long time working out the optimum speed for the highest miles per gallon and the diesel gal can quite happily do over 53mpg either by manualy working it out or via the trip computer.My ego doesnt need strokeing by putting up facts and figures....i know what i did and i really dont give a toss if you believe me or not.The fact i know is enough for me. Yes i used the trip computer and used what it said against what i worked out in regards to miles and fuel used.I would fill her up when she was bottom of the red..then reset the milage indictor..then i would work it out against the trip computer and see how the results panned out. YAWN. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS YOUR TRIP COMPUTER IS 100% Likewise i do not give a toss what you think,as i still recall your approach to me telling you 6th gear and 40 mph was a no no.And you screamed and you screamed and finally as i recall it realised you where in 5th gear! But what does amaze me is even when i explain to you, and others what average really means, you come back with answersthat are not average based ! and then argue the toss! over something you simple do not understand because of thered mist in front of you!
seatkid Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) over something you simple do not understand because of the red mist in front of you! Gio, you're the one SHOUTING. I think Gio has a problem believing people can know what they're saying. For instance....did you know that 1. Man has been to the moon 2. That someone managed to cross 1,223 kilometres (760 miles) of the Alps on less than one tank (50 litres / 11 gallons (European) in a bog standard petrol Golf. 3. That computers are just a passing fad and slide rulers will eventually replace them.... Edited September 1, 2007 by seatkid
gio Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) over something you simple do not understand because of the red mist in front of you! Gio, you're the one SHOUTING. I think Gio has a problem believing people can know what they're saying. For instance....did you know that 1. Man has been to the moon 2. That someone managed to cross 1,223 kilometres (760 miles) of the Alps on less than one tank (50 litres / 11 gallons (European) in a bog standard petrol Golf. 3. That computers are just a passing fad and slide rulers will eventually replace them.... did not mean to shout, will try to edit! Interesting facts, what is the piont.Iam still more interested in you replying to the lost 15000 miles average? you have had plenty of time tocome up with a why you contridicted yourself. You are right about gio having a problem believing though, as some seem to lack basic maths and what average means! Are you still googling! Edited September 1, 2007 by gio
seatkid Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 There is nothing lost....... Please read the english. I made several checks over multiple tank loads during the 1st 20,000 miles I had the car, and concluded the trip mpg was accurate. I do occasionally zero the trip meter, in any case it only goes up to 9999 miles. If you research previous posts (including your own) you will see I said my car has now close to 80,000 miles on the clock and these " averages" were only being acheived after 50,000 miles. Averages are quoted over a mileage window........you can have short term averages, medium term averages, etc, etc.....but then its not my job to teach you math. :rolleyes:
mumof4 Posted September 1, 2007 Report Posted September 1, 2007 Doubt me all you like gio..i know what i did and no i didnt always go on the trip computer and i see no need to justify myself to you or anyone else for that matter in what i could achieve in the Gal....And no i didnt cruise at a constant speed and so what if i took a pic of the trip computer.I spent a long time working out the optimum speed for the highest miles per gallon and the diesel gal can quite happily do over 53mpg either by manualy working it out or via the trip computer.My ego doesnt need strokeing by putting up facts and figures....i know what i did and i really dont give a toss if you believe me or not.The fact i know is enough for me. Yes i used the trip computer and used what it said against what i worked out in regards to miles and fuel used.I would fill her up when she was bottom of the red..then reset the milage indictor..then i would work it out against the trip computer and see how the results panned out. YAWN. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS YOUR TRIP COMPUTER IS 100% Likewise i do not give a toss what you think,as i still recall your approach to me telling you 6th gear and 40 mph was a no no.And you screamed and you screamed and finally as i recall it realised you where in 5th gear! But what does amaze me is even when i explain to you, and others what average really means, you come back with answersthat are not average based ! and then argue the toss! over something you simple do not understand because of thered mist in front of you! Escuse me but as i recall i corrected myself.Did i say the trip computer was 100 percent??..did i heck.Did i scream??No i did not.And what answers have i given you??..i have no need to answer your questions..i know what my gal could do..i no longer have my gal and havent done for a couple of months, and you insult me by saying i dont know what average really means.Red mist???..i think it is you with the red mist here gio not accepting that i do know what im talking about.Why the hell should i post facts and figures for your benefit??You can shout all you like but to be honest i really dont care what you think the gal can do in regards to mpg.Each gal will be different, diff size tyres, diff style of driving,lead foot syndrome or not...so two gals the same in bhp etcc...may return diff mpg.It is you who does not listen..it is you that is argueing the toss over everyones facts and figures.You cannot seem to accept that those who have posted on this thread know what they are talking about....I am not a sedate driver i am not one who will sit behind an arctic..i am not one to cruise along at a set speed... dont you dare say i have screamed on this thread and do not know what average means coz i sure as hell do.
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