Lpg Conversion

[big_kev]

Anyone got LPG ?

 

 

[whitty]

what you on about???????? that expolsion was a good thing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IT WAS A MAESTRO!

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[big_kev]

You wouldn't be laughing if your Galaxy was parked next to it !

 

Or indeed within a hundred yards of it !

[morticiaskeeper]

A well known video that is also well known for the way it was rigged.

 

There was no multivalve on the tank, and no shutdown solenoids.

 

It was set up to give a very biased view that all conversions should be carried out by certain approved installers.

 

From what I understand, the LPG Association thought it should be involved in cars, after all, they were now being powered by gas, just like the other things the LPGA dealt with. As a way of muscleing in on the market, they started lobbying various bodies, including insurance companies, to make sure that they got the gig. Part of this campaign was the video you've found. While it worked from an LPGA point of view, it did a great disservice to the whole idea of LPG powered cars.

 

The video bears no relation to the vast majority of LPG powered vehicles on the road. I reckon there are more "fuel dangerous" petrol cars on the road than LPG. You will obviously state there are more petrol cars than LPG, but even as a percentage of total cars, the number of poorly maintained petrol systems is massive. Am I the only one who remembers the time before injection when teenagers modded the SU carbs on their Mini, or fitted webers to the Mk2 Escort?

 

Some so called "LPGA Approved" installations are below standard, but still a lot safer than that video portrayed. Insurance companies insist that our systems are inspected yearly, does the MOT "REALLY" check a petrol fuel system? Just a bunch of rubber pipes with no safety shut off system.

 

Take a hammer or blowlamp to the average thin metal (or plastic) petrol tank, then do the same to a gas tank, if you're still allive after the first test :D

 

Various people have told me I drive a bomb, they've heard of bad stories, when challenged the stories become urban myths, some people will never be converted, perhaps I've just wasted my keyboard?

 

 

Rant over - don't even get me started on Queen & Paul Rodgers without Freddie :D

[gregers]

don't even get me started on Queen & Paul Rodgers without Freddie

 

got to agree with you there m8

 

shouldve given it to George Micheal,who remembers the time he sang with them at wembly when Freddie died,absolutely brilliant.

Edited April 1, 2007 by gregers

[morticiaskeeper]

Depends which side of the fence you sit on the Q + PR debate.

 

I just get sick of certain members of the Queen fan world ramming there opinions down throats.

 

Waiting to know your side before I say anymore :D

[gregers]

well im not a total avid fan,just like most people they were a bloody good band,and in my humble opinion i thought George done a fantastic job,so you say what you like as far as im concerned :D

 

now another 1, genesis has reformed with phil collins(so maybe i can go to watch them at last)always regret not seeing them when they done a prince of wales gig,i couldnt afford the ticket,was on the yts then,blimey that makes you feel old :D

 

but we seem to be digressing from the lpg thread,ooopppssss

[morticiaskeeper]

Phew :D Thought that might get a bit touchy there.

 

Freddie was great, but Paul brings a much harder, rockier edge. They are now more of a rock band than pop band.

 

Waiting in the crowd at the first QPR gig, none of us new what to expect, but PR won us over.

 

I went to see PR solo last year, most of the crowd I'd also seen at QPR gigs!

 

Some people can stay at home and listen to 20 year old albums, I go to gigs to get as close to the real thing as possible.

 

 

And I'm still going to drive my safe LPG car :D

[big_kev]

I liked moriticiaskeeper's reply.........anyone think I hit a nerve ?

 

What he could have also said (if he had actually seen the video before...which seems unlikely ) was that.....

 

The petrol fuelled car went bang after 3 and a half minutes.....one assumes the occupants would have had plenty of time to escape.

 

The dodgy LPG car went bang after 14 minutes....I think the occupants would have legged it by then...also if they had a full tank of petrol it would have went bang long before the LPG tank.

 

The video was commisioned on behalf of the fire brigade who said that LPG cars were a danger to them or whoever else was trying to put the fire out.

There was no additional danger to the occupants from a stationary fire in a vehicle using LPG.....different story if someone rams your LPG tank...however...will get back to that later.

 

The car was fitted with the correct multivalve and shutdown solenoids it was just that they were fitted badly.

 

The point they were making was that everyone knows that it is illegal and indeed punishible by a custodial sentence for a non-Corgi registered person to tamper with your domestic gas supply...or appliances...but any half trained monkey can legally fit an LPG conversion.

[morticiaskeeper]

The nerve was hit :unsure:

 

I've only seen the bit of the clip you've shown, and I was told what I said. If I have passed on duff info, I apologise, I will use more salt next time my informant talks!

 

But, was the "whole information thing" what you intended to tell, or "heres a video of an LPG car going bang, they're all dangerous", therefore putting accross only one view.

 

I totally agree with competent installers, but what do we do about caravans, gas barbecues etc...?

 

Having worked at a main dealer I've seen a plastic diesel tank that was full of petrol. The job was to drain the petrol and replace the tank, flush through the system and charge a high fee. Rather than drain the tank, removal while full was attempted. Over 10 gallons of petrol were spilt in a workshop where grinders & welders are being used! The tank could not hold its' load without the strutural support of the vehicle it was mounted in.

 

There was also the case of a wheel falling off a truck within 100m of pulling away from a service. The wheel bounced accross a busy forecourt and damaged 3 cars.

 

A mechanic fitted a new engine, only when adding ancilliaries did he realise this engine had 5 cylinders, the vehicle need 4 :D

 

These three cases highlight what can happen even when the fitters are highly trained and certificated. They can still be muppets. A contractor at work has an LPG install that is less than a year old. While I'm sure it complies to the letter of LPGA and COP ll regulations, even fron 20ft away, I can see fundemental installation problems that I would question on the grounds of safety.

 

I've done some work on my car - replaced the mixer, no different to changing an air filter on a carb, and I've also replaced the filler, working on the high pressure side. It does not leak, it has been check by an LPGA installer, it's at least as good a job as any installer would do, but I haven't got any certificates, so I'm in the wrong?

 

 

I normally think life's too short for arguing, but this time, the nerve fought back. At least both sides have now been seen.

 

I won't change your mind, you won't change mine.

 

Life's too short, especially if you drive on LPG :D

[big_kev]

Totally agree with what you say

 

Hopefully the message will get accross and anyone considering an LPG conversion will make sure it is done properly.

 

Converting to LPG is purely a money saving exercise ( dont get me started about global warming ) and as such it is likely that people will try to save additional money by having it done cheaply and hence possibly not safely.

[morticiaskeeper]

I couldn't afford to run on petrol, or at least do the driving that I do.

 

But, If I were in the market for a replacement car, which may happen by the end of the year, I would probably go for the diesel. The cost of converting a petrol to LPG is prohibitively expensive for someone on my income. Paying extra each time I need to fill up is ok, paying out in a lump sum is impossible.

 

Not just a money saving exercise, it is better for the engine, but mostly it's money. Unless you buy from BP, who do all they can to rip us off:-(