geoffandjen Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Hi, Help please. I have had an electrical starting problem for a few weeks. I have posted on the trainee help page. Got worse friday night, the engine now turns over and fires but cuts straight out - car unusable. Phoned my very good local car electronic expert, and explained the full symptoms. He diagnosed relay 30. I spent some time yesterday getting hold of a spare. got one and went to car this morning (20 miles away). Dropped fuse panel and searched for relay 30. there is no relay 30 on the fuse panel. Found 2 others up behind instrument panel, again no relay 30. Checked in small black box under bonnet behind battery. Still no relay 30. All relays I came across, I removed and checked the pin arrangements to see if I had a different number, and only found one with same pinouts (in the main fuse panel). In desperation swapped it but did not resolve starting problem. Has my electrical expert and the main dealer who sold me relay 30 for a 97 V6 2.8 Gal got it wrong?? No Haynes manual for my model.Any advice would be much appreciated.Geoff Quote
Guest wolfie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 what number/code is on the relay? K4? Quote
geoffandjen Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 Wolfie,Sorry, left the new relay with the car. What will it tell me?geoff Quote
big_kev Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) It should be the relay with 30 written on it ! see here..... http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...mp;p=68423& ..bit of a clue in figure 10 Edited March 25, 2007 by big_kev Quote
geoffandjen Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 It should be the relay with 30 written on it ! see here..... http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...mp;p=68423& ..bit of a clue in figure 10Wolfie, The one I bought has a big 30 on it. I used Grahamm's diagram to get at the relays, althoug it is different from my V6. I have not been able to locate the relay 30. There are not two levels of relays as in Grahamm's diagram, and none I could find with 30 on it. I also looked for 27 as somebody indicated that 30 is in fact 27 on some models. Couldn't find that either. Hence the question.Geoff Quote
geoffandjen Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 It should be the relay with 30 written on it ! see here..... http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...mp;p=68423& ..bit of a clue in figure 10Wolfie, The one I bought has a big 30 on it. I used Grahamm's diagram to get at the relays, althoug it is different from my V6. I have not been able to locate the relay 30. There are not two levels of relays as in Grahamm's diagram, and none I could find with 30 on it. I also looked for 27 as somebody indicated that 30 is in fact 27 on some models. Couldn't find that either. Hence the question.GeoffSorry my last reply should have been to Big Kev not Wolfie. I have a new relay 30 but cannot find the one to replace it with.Geoff Quote
big_kev Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I am pretty sure that there is no relay 30 on a V6 (apologies didn't read the post properly.now see that yours is a v6 ). I will try and track down some more info as to what the relay is called on yours. Any V6 owners out there ? Quote
big_kev Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Just thought......you have the relay.........does it have a VW part number on the side of it ? Quote
geoffandjen Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 Kev,The relay is still with the car (20 miles away). Pretty sure it is a ford part as I purchased it yesterday from Ford Main Dealer. I am thinking you are right about no relay 30 on a V6. The electrics guy helping could not find the relay 30 on his diagram for a V6, and the guys in parts at the Ford Main Dealer did not sound convincing. As I said before I have had the fuse panel down (1 layer) and searched behind. No number 30.I have had it suggested the symptoms relate to fuel cut off relay or immobiliser relay. The engine turns fine with the starter motor, but cuts out immediately. Prior to this, and for the last few weeks, the engine turned over very sluggishly for 5-10 secs before limping into life. Once started it ran fine. Now it's unusable. Really appreciate any help you (or others) can give. The car is in a parking bay with others in a residential area. I am reluctant to get a recovery company ( I have no AA/RAC) to tow it to an electrician, if it is a simply relay/component replacement. Need to fix this in the next few days, as I tow a caravan, and we have a few days away booked for Easter. There was me telling everybody it had been so reliable!Many thanks in anticipationGeoff Quote
Guest wolfie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 fuel pump relay IIRC relay K4 bottom right row internal fuse panel Quote
geoffandjen Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 Wolfie,Thanks.I had the relay you describe bottom right in my hand earlier today, checking if it was relay 30. The pins were different, so popped it back. It had a big number on it, can't remember what, but it was not K4. If I understand you right, this relay on a V6 controls the fuel pump (presumably it's cut off?), and the symptoms I describe point to it's failure. I can replace this by just dropping the fuse panel front cover, and removing it. Simple. Will go and remove it tomorrow.Geoff Quote
geoffandjen Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Posted March 26, 2007 UPDATE: Bought a fuel pump relay and replaced bottom row right hand end - no change. Now about to give up and call recovery to tow to Car Electrical Garage who I have used before.Thanks for all those who offered advice. Will let you know what it was - providing it gets resolved. Quote
gregers Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 and dont forget to join a breakdown company,peace of mind at the end of the day,specially as you intend to tow a caravan. Quote
geoffandjen Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Posted March 26, 2007 Have been in breakdown recovery in the past, and will soon be doing it again. Teach me to let it lapse. Quote
geoffandjen Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Posted April 4, 2007 OK Here is the feedback to help others who may have the same problem. Had car recovered to electrician I have used before. He had a look and explained that he thought that the key, the barrel coil (around the ignition barrel) or the immobiliser ECU had a problem. In order of cost he suggested that I give him all my keys (to try others), secondly he would replace barrel coil Quote
geoffandjen Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Posted April 4, 2007 Sorry, forgot to say, that although starting problem cured, I have a couple of issues which I have already reported back to VW service man. Before this problem my remote I/R key did not work, but the central locking worked fine when I inserted any key in any of the 3 locks. Now Upon return today, none of my keys activate the central locking. I have to manually lock and unlock every door except the tailgate. Strangely enough this locks always upon shutting, even without key insertion???Second issue, I guess related. After I switch off ignition I hear a ticking sound coming from under the passenger seat for about 40 secs, before it stops. Any ideas?? Will expect to have this corrected for free upon return. Oh and there was very greasy handprints all over my bonnet, presumably as a result of changing battery! It wouldn't have taken much to clean it would it? Quote
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