Guest darran Posted March 19, 2003 Report Posted March 19, 2003 i seem to be getting a lot of conflicting answers from ford dealers about getting a new key for my '99 galaxy 2.3 (ghia x). basically, could anyone tell me if it's ok to buy a 'normal' (not remote) key and then use the procedure in the handbook to code it. at the moment i have only got one key (a black remote) so would this make a difference as i have been told that i need 2 keys to be able to code a third....? also, if i do attempt to code it myself could i end up with NO keys that work? if this is the case i might pay the Quote
Guest Boggler Posted March 20, 2003 Report Posted March 20, 2003 As I understand it, and I may be totally wrong, you need a Red Master key to be able to code other keys. There were some threads on either this or the old site concerning Coding Keys, it looks like a trawl through the threads (rather you than me lol). I would presume if you give your VIN and barrel number your Ford Delaer should be able to get a new master for you. It may be an idea t go back to where you got the Galaxy and ask if they have the master. Probably at the end of the day it would be easier and more assured to go to Ford (but a bit costly). Quote
Guest shackers Posted March 20, 2003 Report Posted March 20, 2003 Hi Darran; First of all, I know a number [as some people on here can tell you] of Galaxy owners who have had to go to VW to get their key's sorted. This is because some Ford Garages have no Idea what to do, although they have had Internal memos and bulletins concerning correct procedure. I would pay £50.00 to save hassle and possible problems... it may be best for peace of mind. I'll talk you through the exact way Ford do it and leave the descision to you. I hope someone, and I'm sure they have, has experienced success in this method and posts confirmation.. YOU DO NEED TWO KEYS THOUGH BUT A FORD GARAGE DOESN'T. FORD don't they use a FDS2000 The Key you have is what is classed as a Master key, without this key re-programming [as i'm told I've never tried] is not possible. This used to be red! pre 98.. would be interseting to know other owners experience. Yours being a 99; Insert key A in to the ignition and turn to position llTurn the key to position 0 and remove the keyThis is where key 2 comes in [but it may work with the same key?, I DON'T KNOW THOUGH] Insert key B and turn to position llturn the key to position 0 and removeInsert the NEW KEY and turn to position ll Remove the key! that's it it's done... This is with two different keys though! This can be repeated after 20 seconds should the first attemp fail. If Programming was Unseccessful the LED light will start flashing when you place the new reprogrammed key in the Ignition... Ford can do it with a FDS 2000, mention that to them or even paste this and print.. :( thi sis Fords Official way. I'll make a couple of calls to see what the score is, should you wish to try this procedure. Park near a VW/Ford main dealer so that should you have a problem you do not have to go far... Shackers Quote
Guest shackers Posted March 20, 2003 Report Posted March 20, 2003 :( Hi Daren... Just some more Info.... First of all on the keys, Ford get them done by a similar person as Joe Public can. Someone who will remain nameless :( just in case Ford Sack em for helping It's Customers {very strange world} Insert a key into the drivers side door lock. Turn the key to the unlock position three times in succession [at least half a second each time, and within a total period of five seconds] The system should now enter the programming mode and the LED should Illuminate continously for the next 15 seconds. The Key MUST be programed within this period. Aim the first key to the infrared receiver, press one of the buttons on the key and keep it pressed. At the same time pressing the second button three times.... then release both buttons... The remote control key should acknowledge as successful transmittal by the KEY Led flasing 5 times.. the system should also acknowledge by the indicator LED flashing rapidly 6 times THE SYSTEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY EXIT THE PROGRAMMING MODE15 SECONDS AFTER THE LAST KEY HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED Hope this helps.... shackers... Quote
Guest darran Posted March 20, 2003 Report Posted March 20, 2003 thanks to each of you for your replies... shackers, i know what you mean about the ford dealers not knowing enough about new keys... i have had a right job getting this key sorted out. first i was told by the guy in the spares dept that my new key would HAVE to be a remote one... which didn't make sense as this would mean i would now have 2 remote keys, and i have been told that ford don't supply 2 remotes even when you buy the car brand new! a different dealer told me that i could have a normal key but i would have to get it cut at a vw dealer as ford don't have the machine to do it (you'd think ford would feel obliged to buy one to provide a proper service!) unfortunately, this dealer didn't have the key blank in stock... neither did the other 5 i phoned that day... unbelievable i had to order one specially, and guess what? when i picked it up the guy behind the counter offered to cut it for me...even though they told me only a few days before that they couldn't do it! (this is at ESSEX FORD BASILDON in case anyone else needs a key cutting) but then he told me he couldn't cut it unless i had the 'key number' from the tag. as i don't have this i asked him to just copy the old one...which he couldn't do....arrghh! so i ended up going to VW (VERITAS in Southend, Essex) who took one look at the blank and said 'no problem' and copied my existing key. i was in and out in 5 minutes... and they didn't even charge me! anyway, after all this trouble i have decided to pay up and get ford to program the new key.... just in case anything nasty happens and i am left with a car i can't get off the drive! but thanks for the advice all the same. Darran Quote
Guest emjay Posted March 20, 2003 Report Posted March 20, 2003 I note this debate with interest, I too have been trying to understand the keys. I have a 98 V6 and wish to get a new key programmed for the immobiliser - Ford say I can't do it myself - is that correct? Quote
Guest shackers Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Morning; As you've seen Ford struggle to do this, why, I don't understand. You have a V6 as I do, below should be more than sufficient. I'm not sure what part of the UK you are in but would suggest you look through the yellow pages, and find a Key Cutting service that can do Laser cutting. Insert a key into the drivers side door lock. Turn the key to the unlock position three times in succession [at least half a second each time, and within a total period of five seconds] The system should now enter the programming mode and the LED should Illuminate continously for the next 15 seconds. The Key MUST be programed within this period. Aim the first key to the infrared receiver, press one of the buttons on the key and keep it pressed. At the same time pressing the second button three times.... then release both buttons... The remote control key should acknowledge as successful transmittal by the KEY Led flasing 5 times.. the system should also acknowledge by the indicator LED flashing rapidly 6 times THE SYSTEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY EXIT THE PROGRAMMING MODE15 SECONDS AFTER THE LAST KEY HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED It's always very Important to have a secondary key, as we all know. Also bear in mind should you loose your only key, the cost of getting another one [and if you don't have a number] could lead to also buying an ignition barrel, labour time the lot... :( not a nice thought shackers Quote
oioisavaloy Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 I have found as place in Highbury London that cuts the keys and programs the transponder - as you know, you do need at least two keys, to program a third - Crazy when you think about it. I have just one key for my V6, so need to get another key - But because I only have one cannot program another new cut key. Therefore I either have to buy two new ones and reprogram the car/keys or Pay the massive amount to FORD and get another key and let them program the key on their FDS 2000. What do you think? :( Quote
Guest shackers Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 I have heard VW have done this service for Free, somewhere on the Forum I read this. I would feel more comfortable going to VW rather than Ford, who tend to have a go, and then decide to send the customer to VW.. I do know of a couple of people that have only had one key, got another cut and done the process I placed on the Forum earlier via the Drivers door... they have VW's, but they all have the Seimens system. shackers... Quote
Guest emjay Posted March 22, 2003 Report Posted March 22, 2003 I need to program the immobiliser (AKA nats???), not the locking. I already got a key from Ford and had it cut by a local locksmith ( Quote
Guest shackers Posted March 22, 2003 Report Posted March 22, 2003 Hi Emjay; Ford amaze me at the best of times, why do they treat Customers with so much disrespect. What ever happened to Customer Service? I'm not sure how much they are looking to charge you for using their system. How many keys do you have, Do you have a Key Fob that Locks and Unlocks? I would go to a VW garage, rather than risk creating a problem and not being able to re-start the motor. Obviously not all VW dealers are any better than Ford but they do have a lot more experience with these systems. shackers.... Quote
Guest emjay Posted March 22, 2003 Report Posted March 22, 2003 I'm still confused!!!!!. I don't have remote locking but I do have an immobiliser that requires a coded key ...... can I code the key myself or must I take it to a dealer - ford or VW? Quote
Guest shackers Posted March 22, 2003 Report Posted March 22, 2003 Hi Emjay; Being a 98 model you will need the master key, this is red. If you haven't got this key, you will have to go to either Ford or VW. If you have the Red key, yes you'll be able to do it. [have you got an infer red in your car] It's always dependant on how confident you are in this process, not sure were you are in the Country, should another member live near who could help. For Peace of Mind, Ring VW ask how much? and also call Ford... If they make a mess of things they will have to sort it. If you do, you'll have to pay more and the stress isn't worth while in my oppinion. All the V6's or VR6's I know of have all had key fobs, or a key with an open and lock button.. from what your saying your's hasn't? They are easy to program and the description of how to do this is above... shackers Quote
Guest Andy C Posted April 3, 2003 Report Posted April 3, 2003 I have three hopefully simple questions - I have a 2002 Ghia 1.9Tdi which came with 1 remote key. I want to get a second remote key. 1) Where can I get a second key? - does it have to be bought from Ford?2) How much does it cost?3) Is the programming of a new key just as the user manual or is there somthing more? thanks Andy C Quote
Guest darran Posted April 4, 2003 Report Posted April 4, 2003 andy, i have just had to get a new key myself, so i might be able to answer some of your questions.... a new remote key costs around Quote
suzuki91 Posted September 16, 2003 Report Posted September 16, 2003 got a new key from ford not the remote type.tried to code as per the instructions here, but it did'nt work.at least it opens the doors!!going to try a friedly key cutter in town to get him to code it? :angry: Quote
Guest mick Posted September 17, 2003 Report Posted September 17, 2003 Ouch! 75 Quid for an extra remote key, plus fee for programming it if required. Bit steep. I was suprised when I picked up my Galaxy a couple of weeks ago only to get one remote. Bit tight of Ford... my Rover came with two remotes five years ago (OK, so they went TU). Its amazing how much I miss the remote - Guess I'll just have to wrestle the remote off the Missus. Bargining point for prospective buyers though. Quote
NikpV Posted September 17, 2003 Report Posted September 17, 2003 Ours came with one remote key and one normal key, the manual says 2 keys are needed to program a third (2001 Ghia Diesel auto) so ordered a normal from Ford - Very Hi-tech process : I didn't have the key number so I waited half an hour and watched the two sales guys cover the key in tippex, scape it out of the slot and photocopy it many times!!!! Eventually they were satisfied, waited 4 days took car back and the guy programmed the new key and gave me a chitty with the key number on it - Quote
suzuki91 Posted September 17, 2003 Report Posted September 17, 2003 my key shop could'nt code the new key, any one know where i can get it done. Quote
Guest mick Posted September 18, 2003 Report Posted September 18, 2003 I was taking the 75 quid from the reply from Darren (4th Apr). Haven't tried any garages yet - will probably try my local one within a few weeks. Quote
Deadly DD Posted September 20, 2003 Report Posted September 20, 2003 Hi Guys For you guys South of London, or can get to the Gatwick/Crawley area, I have found a saint of a locksmith who can cut and program a spare key for Quote
suzuki91 Posted September 21, 2003 Report Posted September 21, 2003 just got a mobile locksmith to cut and program a new key for me. the cost was half what ford wanted and dont forget he came to me!give him a call if you need anything for any make of car.01354 68032607900 890368 07752 080491 Quote
smon Posted November 21, 2003 Report Posted November 21, 2003 I hope someone, and I'm sure they have, has experienced success in this method and posts confirmation.. YOU DO NEED TWO KEYS THOUGH BUT A FORD GARAGE DOESN'T. FORD don't they use a FDS2000 Insert key A in to the ignition and turn to position llTurn the key to position 0 and remove the keyThis is where key 2 comes in [but it may work with the same key?, I DON'T KNOW THOUGH] Insert key B and turn to position llturn the key to position 0 and removeInsert the NEW KEY and turn to position ll Remove the key! that's it it's done... This is with two different keys though! Shackers Just to confirm that Shackers is right, you do need TWO working keys to use this method. I tried with one key, putting it in twice, but this failed to then reprogram my second (non-working) key. Quote
Guest Bournelinks Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Hi,I've just bought a 2001 Galaxy Ghia and it was supplied with one remote key. The Ford main dealer told me that only one remote key could work with the car. I asked for a 2nd key for the vehicle and they provided a remote one but said I could only unlock the doors by putting the key in the lock. After reading this forum I have now coded both keys and they both work fine! Thanks very much - why don't Ford dealers know this info???? I have other questions about the car now as I don't trust what the dealer has told me! The main one being if I engage the cruise control there is no indication on the dash that it is active (I thought a green light was supposed to come on) - the dealer tells me there is no indication of this - can anyone help? Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Yes - this got covered in a fairly recent thread. Operation of the indicator lamp is not guaranteed - it seems that it works on very recent models, and almost certainly not on any other - but there are exceptions! Quote
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