Engine Stabiliser

[Wasphouse]

Anybody?

 

 

I still am not sure what is wrong - Is it possible the half shaft had sheared off in the final drive splines? I can't seem to find any of the cv's broken or rattling etc?

 

Thanks

[Guest VR6!]

Anybody?

 

 

I still am not sure what is wrong - Is it possible the half shaft had sheared off in the final drive splines? I can't seem to find any of the cv's broken or rattling etc?

 

Thanks

 

 

Possible! IIRC there was a member that had this happen before on the forum!

[Guest VR6!]

http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...wtopic=2655&hl=

 

 

a couple of members have suffered from it!

[Wasphouse]

http://www.fordgalaxy.org.uk/ford/index.ph...wtopic=2655&hl=

 

 

a couple of members have suffered from it!

 

 

Thanks Vr6 that confirms a couple of opinions I've had - I can't even look at it now until Friday or Saturday but when I do I'll post pics for reference.

 

Thanks again

[tim-spam]

If Ford has a problem in being able to supply just the failed part (rather than the whole drive shaft), it may be worth giving VW or Seat a try - I have found my local VW agent to be the best source of dealer supplied parts. It might also be worth trying Eurocarparts or GSF - their prices are generally much lower than main agents'.

[Wasphouse]

If Ford has a problem in being able to supply just the failed part (rather than the whole drive shaft), it may be worth giving VW or Seat a try - I have found my local VW agent to be the best source of dealer supplied parts. It might also be worth trying Eurocarparts or GSF - their prices are generally much lower than main agents'.

 

 

Thanks TIm - I fully intend looking at all options rather than pay ford more than I have to!

 

I'll let you all know what transpires.

[Bigjeeze]

Just in case anybody doesn't know - Wasphouse is Bigjeeze. Bigjeeze is back and wasphouse is now gone.

 

So back to my drive shaft issues. As far as I can ascertain the splines on the half shaft seem to be excessivley worn and that is why I have lost drive. I can't find any other faults as yet.

After looking carefuly at the drive shaft and speaking to a friendly parts man it appears that the half shaft is the most likely culprit. I have now removed the drive shaft and the intermediate bearing and half shaft. Have a look at the pics - As regards the issues some members have had regarding the splined bolts I bought a kit of splined bits for

[Guest VR6!]

Just in case anybody doesn't know - Wasphouse is Bigjeeze. Bigjeeze is back and wasphouse is now gone.

 

 

if you hadn't had told us we would have never known :lol:

 

back on topic, did you get any warning of the failure? any extra noise from that side when you turned a corner or was on full lock?

[Bigjeeze]

Just in case anybody doesn't know - Wasphouse is Bigjeeze. Bigjeeze is back and wasphouse is now gone.

 

 

if you hadn't had told us we would have never known :lol:

 

back on topic, did you get any warning of the failure? any extra noise from that side when you turned a corner or was on full lock?

 

The only warning I got was that klunk when first letting the clutch out or on the over run if you let go the accellerator quickly - which was why I was asking about the stabiliser bar - there were no other symptoms or warnings. When it went it was sudden I stopped at a junction - went to move off then nasty grinding noises and no drive. The CV's seem tight and there is no movement or clicking that I can find - on or off the car.

 

I will fit the new half shaft this morning so no doubt will find out if this is the definite problem.

 

Thanks

[JohnR]

I will fit the new half shaft this morning so no doubt will find out if this is the definite problem.

 

Thanks

 

 

I'd see if you can get in with a torch (and mirror if necessary) and have really good look at the mating splines if you can!

[El Dingo]

Just in case anybody doesn't know - Wasphouse is Bigjeeze. Bigjeeze is back and wasphouse is now gone.

 

 

if you hadn't had told us we would have never known :P

 

 

Golly! :rolleyes:

[Bigjeeze]

I will fit the new half shaft this morning so no doubt will find out if this is the definite problem.

 

Thanks

 

 

I'd see if you can get in with a torch (and mirror if necessary) and have really good look at the mating splines if you can!

 

 

I did have a good look and feel - They don't seem to have suffered as much as the shaft but I am conscious that they are likley to be damaged- I think I will try and get a new one as this may come back to haunt me.

[Bigjeeze]

I will fit the new half shaft this morning so no doubt will find out if this is the definite problem.

 

Thanks

 

 

I'd see if you can get in with a torch (and mirror if necessary) and have really good look at the mating splines if you can!

 

 

I did have a good look and feel - They don't seem to have suffered as much as the shaft but I am conscious that they are likley to be damaged- I think I will try and get a new one as this may come back to haunt me.

 

 

In fact I managed to find out how to get the drive flange off - there was an allen bolt in the centre - I've removed it and yes it will need replacing - it's not a lot better than the old half shaft - so rather than have to go through this again I'll wait and replace. Pics to follow soon.

 

BJ

[Bigjeeze]

 

 

It's difficult to get a picture that shows the state of the inner splines but they definitely allow a "clunk" when using the old half shaft so I am now 100% certain this is the fault. The only problem I have now is getting a new flange. Because both me and the parts man were in the dark it never occurred to look for this part as well. I'll get on to them on Monday and hope they have that in stock.

 

 

BJ

[El Dingo]

Good pics BJ. :blink:

 

This is a surprising wear part IMHO. Maybe a material problem... or poor QT by the machine shop?

[Bigjeeze]

Good pics BJ. :blink:

 

This is a surprising wear part IMHO. Maybe a material problem... or poor QT by the machine shop?

 

 

I don't know which it is - I have after all got 100K plus on the clock - but its worth noting that with VR6's help I found at least 4 other incidences of this on the forum - so whatever it is it ain't rare!!

 

As I said before - the fact that a dealer stocks the parts says it all - Dealers don't stock non moving parts they have to pay for them!!

[JohnR]

Good pics BJ. :blink:

 

This is a surprising wear part IMHO. Maybe a material problem... or poor QT by the machine shop?

 

 

I don't know which it is - I have after all got 100K plus on the clock - but its worth noting that with VR6's help I found at least 4 other incidences of this on the forum - so whatever it is it ain't rare!!

 

As I said before - the fact that a dealer stocks the parts says it all - Dealers don't stock non moving parts they have to pay for them!!

 

Its difficult to tell from the pictures, but my impression from them is that the parts are blackened and the grease dried out. I haven't checked in the TIS, but is there a spec given for the grease? or any instructions to re-pack?

 

Those of us with high-milers (mines got 95K) might want to consider a prophylactic repack!

[Bigjeeze]

You're right John, the grease had dried out and resembled a black powder. However, as to repacking I'm not sure the TIS mentions that - but if you look at the link VR6 posted earlier in this topic you will see at least two other instances with 50 and 60 plus K miles - so I am of the opinion this is a design or manufacture fault rather than a simple lube problem as failures seem to happen at a variety of mileages - some not so great.

 

Still I suppose re packing could help. Mind you the whole drive shaft has to come out to get at it - so not a simple 5 minute job.

 

BJ

[JohnR]

You're right John, the grease had dried out and resembled a black powder. However, as to repacking I'm not sure the TIS mentions that - but if you look at the link VR6 posted earlier in this topic you will see at least two other instances with 50 and 60 plus K miles - so I am of the opinion this is a design or manufacture fault rather than a simple lube problem as failures seem to happen at a variety of mileages - some not so great.

 

Still I suppose re packing could help. Mind you the whole drive shaft has to come out to get at it - so not a simple 5 minute job.

 

BJ

 

Hmm..I just checked the TIS. For our 6 speed TDi's, it spec's ford p/n's for 2 different greases for the outer and inner C/V's respectively. It gives a grease quantity for the tripode joint of 130 gms but doesn't say which grease to use!

 

As far as re-greasing goes, I think I'd go as far as splitting the bottom knuckle, and then try to get enough slack to squirt in the grease with a 50cc syringe and long flexible tip. (if you microwave it for a few seconds to warm it up it flows easier!)

 

One problem that's just come to mind (a few years back now, can't remember which car it was) was repacing a c/v and re-using the snap ring! Very bad idea! It popped out and permitted the spline to pull out causing damage. Since then, I'm always careful to fit a new one, and make doubly sure that its engaged!

[Bigjeeze]

 

Hmm..I just checked the TIS. For our 6 speed TDi's, it spec's ford p/n's for 2 different greases for the outer and inner C/V's respectively. It gives a grease quantity for the tripode joint of 130 gms but doesn't say which grease to use!

 

As far as re-greasing goes, I think I'd go as far as splitting the bottom knuckle, and then try to get enough slack to squirt in the grease with a 50cc syringe and long flexible tip. (if you microwave it for a few seconds to warm it up it flows easier!)

 

One problem that's just come to mind (a few years back now, can't remember which car it was) was repacing a c/v and re-using the snap ring! Very bad idea! It popped out and permitted the spline to pull out causing damage. Since then, I'm always careful to fit a new one, and make doubly sure that its engaged!

 

 

 

I haven't stripped out the CV's they are are both fine so for now I wlll go with just this particular issue. It's not a big deal to whip the CV's out in the future for a repacking but at the mo I have to get the car on the road.

 

 

 

BJ

[Bigjeeze]

All now fitted and complete - new flange bit cost

[buford_t_justice]

Thanks John

 

But my problem is that I can't see anything that resembles a CV joint - You have the intermediate bearing then the shaft seems to go straight into the diff housing - there are no joints or flanges with bolts in.

 

If you lookon the picture - where the shaft goes into the diff - there is a gold coloured bit - that turns but the shaft doesn't.

 

By the way this is a 2001/2 Mk2 Diesel

 

In the photo on the left, the section of drive shaft replaced on mine was the one that goes into the gearbox. It also apparently needed another part which sits inside the gearbox and connect to the driveshaft. All yours for

[Bigjeeze]

Thanks John

 

But my problem is that I can't see anything that resembles a CV joint - You have the intermediate bearing then the shaft seems to go straight into the diff housing - there are no joints or flanges with bolts in.

 

If you lookon the picture - where the shaft goes into the diff - there is a gold coloured bit - that turns but the shaft doesn't.

 

By the way this is a 2001/2 Mk2 Diesel

 

In the photo on the left, the section of drive shaft replaced on mine was the one that goes into the gearbox. It also apparently needed another part which sits inside the gearbox and connect to the driveshaft. All yours for

[buford_t_justice]

Glad yours is back working.

 

This may well be a (another) weakness on the Galaxy. The garage who repaired my car were unsympathetic to say the least and simply claimed this was a normal wear and tear part. :rolleyes:

[Bigjeeze]

Glad yours is back working.

 

This may well be a (another) weakness on the Galaxy. The garage who repaired my car were unsympathetic to say the least and simply claimed this was a normal wear and tear part. :ph34r:

 

 

 

To use a colloquial saying - "Bollocks" there is no way this is a normal wear & tear item - I have never ever heard of this kind of failure anywhere else - It's only the fact that I have done 100K plus miles that makes me feel slightly better about it. Typical blase garage shite!! :rolleyes:

 

 

 

Not that I'm angry at all :)