Vanbursta Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Glad you got it sorted - just wanted to be the 100th reply really LOL Quote
Dave-G Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Sorry Nik ..... I just see the funny side to changing a clutch having done a few on Allegro's, a Sierra and other sheds..... Perhaps the moral of this story is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions by reading written symptoms from people that obviously have a wide and varied experience in fixing cars. Chris S'all right I have been mentally scarred by changing the clutch on a hillman superminx - lying on a sloping drive with melting slush running down my neck with the gearbox laid on my chest whilst trying to get some bolts back in - twice - now that must date me :D :D :D Sorry Nik ..... I just see the funny side to changing a clutch having done a few on Allegro's, a Sierra and other sheds..... Perhaps the moral of this story is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions by reading written symptoms from people that obviously have a wide and varied experience in fixing cars. Chris S'all right I have been mentally scarred by changing the clutch on a hillman superminx - lying on a sloping drive with melting slush running down my neck with the gearbox laid on my chest whilst trying to get some bolts back in - twice - now that must date me :D :D :D A Superminx hey?........ I remember those but I was only little .... Here's one for you...... My uncle had a Sunbeam Rapier ...weren't they similar to the Hillman Minx? Bin there - done it with a Rapier/Holbay tuned engine :D Quote
mumof4 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Report Posted October 22, 2006 1 more thing....i need to secure that pipe to stop it coming loose again...vr6 thought ties and i disagreed..but having a look i think it will work..just not sure where to tie it to as i dont want to hinder the pump action from the other end of the valve thingy. Dont tie it to anything! just put round the pipe so it cant stretch/expand to much and then it forces it to have a tighter fit! as i would literally be putting the tie on the pipe itself and nothing else..should i still nip the end of it? hmm...as it is such a confined space to work in..how can i be sure that i wont make it too tight? Also..do not know ir this is relevant..but all the rubber pipes/hoses seem to have a whilte paint mark on them..does this mean that they are all for one particular purpose?.. Quote
Guest VR6! Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 as i would literally be putting the tie on the pipe itself and nothing else..should i still nip the end of it? hmm...as it is such a confined space to work in..how can i be sure that i wont make it too tight? Also..do not know ir this is relevant..but all the rubber pipes/hoses seem to have a whilte paint mark on them..does this mean that they are all for one particular purpose?.. if you can get it around the pipe with it connected, tighten it and cut off the end? then go for it, if not just place the tie around the pipe till it just fits without crushing it and try to put the pipe back on, either that or get Neil to pop round and do it for you :) either way you will need to cut off the excess so it doesnt get in the way of any moveing parts and get useg to pull the pipe off if it gets snagged by the rough arse mechs that work on your engine! oh! that's you under the bonnet! god you look rough today <_< Quote
mumof4 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Report Posted October 22, 2006 Thanks VR6.....will do it once this rain stops.I'm sure i can deal with the pipe on my own... <_< One thing id still like answered though..is how do you get that metal shroud off at the back?..As i really think i should check all the pipes behind it. Quote
Guest VR6! Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 One thing I'd still like answered though..is how do you get that metal shroud off at the back?..As I really think I should check all the pipes behind it. By the looks of it you will have to remove, unplug, undo a few bits in order to do that! to be honest unless you have to do it? leave it well alone! after all the site only has a limited amount of space and you dont want to use it all up <_< Quote
tim-spam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Revs are higher than they should be for the gear selected - firm diagnosis - clutch slipping.On behalf of all those who diagnosed a slipping clutch (including myself), the above statement is totally consistent and correct for a vehicle with a correctly functioning manual transmission. On behalf of MO4, I sincerely hope your descriptions were inaccurate, because at 1500rpm in 4th, the car should be doing nearly 40mph, and not 20mph as reported. To test the clutch, simply wait until you are going up an incline at between 1500rpm and 2000rpm in one of the higher gears, floor the accelerator and see how the revs and road speed compare. 2000rpm equates to around 50mph in 4th, 60mph in 5th and 70mph in 6th. On behalf of those who are so 'wise' after the event, on a forum such as this, diagnoses have to rely on words, pictures (sometimes) and descriptions. The fact that a hose falling off prevented the turbo going on to boost (limp mode is a different thing) was the event that triggered this topic, there is a possibility that a more serious problem has been identified along the way - we shall see. Quote
seatkid Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 MO4 ...... accurately describe symptoms?......no comment.... :lol: Quote
mumof4 Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Posted October 23, 2006 My description was not inaccurate..ata that point i had discovered the loose pipe and it was not connected..I was doing 20mph in 4th gear and the revs were steady at 1.5k.I had my eldest in the front seat reading to me what the rev counter was on and the speed i was doing..i changed gear every time i heard the engine needed changing.. At the moment the car SEEMS to be driving fine..but i still think something is missing.It is pulling.....but last night when i was pulling away in first i felt like it was going to stall..now whether this is because i dont feel as confident driving it at the moment..or whether i am just waiting for something to happen..i dont know.. All my descriptions were accurate in so far as that i dont' know what everything is!.I just know now that it is still missing something..but i honestly couldnt tell you what.Maybe on the 4th at the meet someone can drive it for me and see what they think...But i'm not experienced in diagnoseing problems...or in giving the correct descriptoins for things..i can only describe in my limited capacity... With that litle pipe off...the car crawled...the revs were high as i was trying to floor the accelerator with no success to improveing speed.(that is my explanation for it anyway.) Braking at the mo i think is ok..though sharp..touch of the brakes and im braking suddenly..whereas before at slow speed they slowed the car slowly..whether that is normal or not i have no idea..i have not driven another Galaxy for comparison...I guess if i did..then i would be better able to know.. I suppose style of driving may factor into a lot of things....But i just don't know and this frustrates me soo much.I want to know..i want to learn....i want to be able to diagnose all the faults on my car..but as i dont know what everything is for..it is a case of have a look see if its loose..give it a clean and put it back and see if things are different.That is basically what i did when i had the covers off and was rooting around and i founsd that loose pipe. What else can i do? I know..im waffling..excuse me..just tired. Quote
Guest HairyPlateEater Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Revs are higher than they should be for the gear selected - firm diagnosis - clutch slipping.On behalf of all those who diagnosed a slipping clutch (including myself), the above statement is totally consistent and correct for a vehicle with a correctly functioning manual transmission. On behalf of MO4, I sincerely hope your descriptions were inaccurate, because at 1500rpm in 4th, the car should be doing nearly 40mph, and not 20mph as reported. To test the clutch, simply wait until you are going up an incline at between 1500rpm and 2000rpm in one of the higher gears, floor the accelerator and see how the revs and road speed compare. 2000rpm equates to around 50mph in 4th, 60mph in 5th and 70mph in 6th. On behalf of those who are so 'wise' after the event, on a forum such as this, diagnoses have to rely on words, pictures (sometimes) and descriptions. The fact that a hose falling off prevented the turbo going on to boost (limp mode is a different thing) was the event that triggered this topic, there is a possibility that a more serious problem has been identified along the way - we shall see. I seem to remember that turbo problems were first suggested on post 8 and then again all the way throughout the thread after that, so people were not being wise after the event at all. :lol: As I've said previously, maybe firm diagnoses shouldn't be given based on words and pictures alone. If anyone is able to correctly diagnose problems by this method 100% of the time, then they'd be travelling the world putting garages out of business left right and centre. Granted a lot of people here have a lot of experience and knowledge in all things vehicular, but IMHO we should be giving advice and suggestions based on our own experiences, not telling people what the problem definitely is when you can't posibly be 100% certain. :lol: Yes, based on the higher revs for the speed, it sounded like a slipping clutch, but to disregard the other evidence presented before us, m'lud, about the difference/reduction in noise coming from the car (which a slipping clutch probably wouldnt cause) means that a mis-diagnosis is surely round the corner. From my experience, this is the failing of most mechanics and anyone else that has to fault report anything of any kind. Hopefully for Maz, there are no other underlying faults with her poor car, I'm just glad we all managed to work together to prove what a great forum it is on the whole. (Awaits Bleeno's "I still reckon it's a slipping clutch" comment lmao) :lol: Quote
tim-spam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 When the little tube fell off, it introduced a vacuum leak, which would have also affected the brake servo - once re-connected, the brake servo operation would have improved due to not having a vacuum leak any more. So, that observation makes perfect sense. As for doing 20mph in 4th at 1500rpm, unless one or both of the instruments are inaccurate, the clutch is slipping quite badly - if you lift the accelerator without slowing much, do the revs immediately drop? If you floor the accelerator, do the revs immediately race away? Or do the revs rise in direct proportion to the road speed? "Revs are higher than they should be for the gear selected - firm diagnosis - clutch slipping."No mention about this being the only problem, no mention about being 100% certain, and certainly no disregard of other comments - just a perfectly true diagnosis from the piece of evidence quoted in the statement (ie: revs are higher than they should be for the gear selected) - so why all the fuss and attempted "points scoring"? Because, if MO4 is unfortunate enough to have a slipping clutch (and, believe me, I hope she doesn't), there will be quite a bit of egg on faces - and this may even require a little "Humble Pie Eating"! Quote
mumof4 Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Posted October 23, 2006 as far as i know the instuments are accurate..the revs are now fine...in accordance with the speed i am douing.They were fine after i reconnected that pipe. Quote
mumof4 Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Posted October 23, 2006 All i wanted was help to help me figure out what was wrong with the car..all help and advice is greatfully recieved..but i did keep saying that the engine was quiet!!..it had lost something!!..but what i couldnt understand..was if the clutch was slipping..why had the engine gone quiet?it wasnt how it should be? I have been doing some reading on the net thanks to Teresa searching and others.....now..from what i can understand.....iirc...they symptoms of a slipping clutch may not actually mean the clutch is slipping..there are other problems that can cause the same thing......I have said that i will be keeping an eye on the clutch..and i will..if it is a clutch problem aswell..i will deal with it in the best way that i can. Everyone on here is so helpful and so willing to help..and i do mean everyone.. in the midst of this thread there was banter..it made me smile whilst i was sat here reading thru all the advice and suggestions. As my dad said..there could be two seperate problems and we have only resolved one..as you tim spam said..time will tell.. I really am tired so if i offend anyone or dont make sense ..then i do appologise. :lol: Quote
tim-spam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Don't worry on my account - you certainly haven't offended me. One possible side effect of the clutch slipping badly could have been less engine load, and hence less noise. As it was, the lack of turbo boost caused less engine load, and hence less noise (no turbo whistle either). Quote
Guest HairyPlateEater Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 "Revs are higher than they should be for the gear selected - firm diagnosis - clutch slipping."No mention about this being the only problem, no mention about being 100% certain, and certainly no disregard of other comments - just a perfectly true diagnosis from the piece of evidence quoted in the statement (ie: revs are higher than they should be for the gear selected) - so why all the fuss and attempted "points scoring"? Because, if MO4 is unfortunate enough to have a slipping clutch (and, believe me, I hope she doesn't), there will be quite a bit of egg on faces - and this may even require a little "Humble Pie Eating"! Tim-Spam, I'm here for the combined good of the forum as a whole, existing members and new ones. Hopefully I'll be able to help a few along the way with a bit of advice. Your comments about the slipping clutch weren't secluded to the one above, and your extensive use of the question mark at the end of your posts not only exagerated your sarcasm and undermining of other peoples advice and thinking that had other suggestions to the fault as a whole, they were IMO completely unnecessary. I'm not here to score points, I wont have egg on my face and I wont be eating humble pie if it is proved that mumof4 does have a slipping clutch as well. The fault Maz asked for help on has now been sorted. It wasn't a slipping clutch. Quote
tim-spam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Although a non-smoker myself, I think that may be the best idea! Quote
seatkid Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 I'm here for the combined good of the forum as a whole, existing members and new ones....Unlike me who is here, purely for selfish reasons... :lol: your extensive use of the question mark at the end of your posts not only exagerated your sarcasm and undermining of other peoples advice and thinking that had other suggestions to the fault as a whole, they were IMO completely unnecessaryI always enjoy a debate about the use and abuse of grammar :lol: I'm not here to score points, I wont have egg on my face and I wont be eating humble pie .....points......good.......egg......mmm better......pie.....drool...best! :lol: Quote
tim-spam Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 I must say that, even by your usual high standards, that has got to be one of the best posts I've seen for some while - and from someone who has genuinely contributed so much to this forum and helped so many. Brilliant! Quote
Smilge Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Hey I'm well impressed with you lot!!!! What a bunch of honest people who's only intention is to help one another out. Like MO4's father I spent a long time in the Air Force fixing very complex aircraft systems and believe or not, I still have problems in diagnosing faults on my own car. So as far as trying to explain what the symptoms are over a forum, Maz did great! Still reckon it's the clutch though :blink: :blink: :lol: :lol: Quote
Guest Gurugal Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Such fun!!! :blink: :lol: :lol: Well done to mumof4 for finally getting it working - well done to everyone for trying to help. If only you were all Doctors - that way if you had misdiagnosed you could always bury the evidence!! :lol: :D Mumof4. it seems, is driving a corpse! :blink: Quote
mumof4 Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Posted October 25, 2006 Ok peeps..spoke to soon..the car has no oomph...the turbo lag is just lag...the hesitation, the turbo kick in..there is no kick in.acceleration is slow though it does accelerate..hubby drove it aswell and he said it has definately lost acceleration.I damn well stalled the ruddy thing today aswell. Now, i believe the maf is fine as it pulled up a hill in 4th no probs whereas when the maf had gone it struggled in 2nd. Soo..that then leaves the turbo in my mind..What i need is info on how to get that shroud/heat shield off on the back of the engine bay so i can check everything behind it.I want to check all the pipes/hoses for the turbo..yes i checked that little pipe and it was still connected.Now when the car stopped you could hear a whine, he thought it was the turbo..i thought it was because the cc had been on.I want to check for any leaks..but for all this that i want to check..i need to know what to check . Mainly..i need to know how to get that shroud off. i know this is a daft description..but it doesnt seem to drive right.Could be me..but to me its not right.It is no way near as bad as before....But i thought id start simple by checking...Hubby said that if the turbo has gone then tough we will drive without one.. So once again..i need your help please. Maz. xx Quote
NikpV Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 maybe the clutch is slipping - call Bleeno quick :lol: :o anybody mentioned this yet ?????? :lol: :lol: Quote
familyman Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 :lol: any chance you could take to a garage with a rolling road tester? it might cost but at least it should eliminate some problems and they should have the gear to diagnose what the problem is ,if it's an internal fault taking all the shrouds off won't give you much idea whats going wrong :o Quote
mumof4 Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Posted October 25, 2006 At this precise moment in time i have no spare funds..it is driving so whilst it is i want to eliminate what i can so i dont have to pay a garage to do it.There is no garage near me that i know of that has a rolling road tester. Quote
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