mumof4 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Posted October 20, 2006 I dont feel anything kicking in.. I usually change gear once the revs hit 2k....and you know when you are driving at roughly what speed you are at when you change gear..if ive explained that right....usually at 30 im at just over 2k..im not its 4k..i will go on a longer run this eve to note everything as i didnt get chance last night with the weather..i really did not want to take the risk if summit went totally and it was howling with rain here last night.So....this eve..i will go out with pen and paper and log at what revs at what speed everything.. Quote
El Dingo Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 The clutch is slipping. Until you can get the clutch replaced, try to use very light pressure on the accelerator pedal, and leave the car in a low enough gear so that the revs match the road speed. So long as the clutch is slipping, it will be generating a considerable amount of heat - if this continues for too long, you could end up having to replace a distorted flywheel as well as the clutch. You could also burn the clutch out and lose drive altogether. Very sensible advice! What Bleeno added about the release bearing also makes good sense. So take it easy until you have a firm diagnosis! :D Quote
tim-spam Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 Revs are higher than they should be for the gear selected - firm diagnosis - clutch slipping. Quote
Smilge Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 I would agree with most that it sounds as though the clutch is slipping. When you change into a higher gear it puts the engine under more load when the `slipping` is more noticeable, particularly when going uphill. Keep a close eye on the rev counter Maz .... when the revs increase with no apparent change in accelerator position, change up a gear providing the road conditions allow to see if the revs settle down to normal. I'll be interested to hear how you get on. Chris Quote
Dave-G Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 To check if the clutch is slipping: Apply handbrake VERY VERY VERY firmly - engage first gear and slowly let out clutch, especially slow at the bite point. If the egine keeps running - albeit slowly it is the clutch. expect it to stink a bit too. Do not do it on a sustained basis. Quote
El Dingo Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 To check if the clutch is slipping: Apply handbrake VERY VERY VERY firmly - engage first gear and slowly let out clutch, especially slow at the bite point. If the egine keeps running - albeit slowly it is the clutch. expect it to stink a bit too. Do not do it on a sustained basis. BJ suggested this on live chat, and I rather too quickly told him no. (No offence BJ!)I just couldn't recommend doing this, as it's a bit too brutal and (just a remote possibility) could be dangerous. Just get the car along a quiet road at 30mph in 3rd and 'put the pedal to the metal'. If the revs rise in proportion to the speed increase then the clutch is OK. If the engine races, it isn't.... Quote
tim-spam Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 Does it really take 30 posts (oh no - I've just made it 31!) to diagnose a slipping clutch?????????? Quote
familyman Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 I think the clutch could be slipping .anybody else think so? :angry: Quote
Vanbursta Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 Mmmm reading through the symptoms and having assessed the evidence presented in a professional and unbiased way, I feel I can almost certainly state (well with a probability in excess of 97% plus or minus 97%) and in consideration of the outstanding climate, with due consideration for the propsals submitted this far, by the other knowledgable members of this forum, that not withstanding a further incorrect, or indeed correct disagnosis by person or persons unknow and finally with due care and consideration, that it is almost certain that the fault could have been correctly diagnosed as a SLIPPING CLUTCH and if it is proven to be elsewise, could also be another fault :D :D :D PS That's 32 Posts NOW :angry: :D :blink: PPS I am thinking of getting a job as a solicitor - what do you think? :D :( :( Quote
Joey Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 The best way i've found to diagnose a slipping clutch is to drive up quite a steep hill and floor the accelarator. The revs will probably shoot up to the redline without evening going 1mph faster (just like they would if the car was in neutral.) Quote
familyman Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 i still think it's a slipping clutch no matter what anybody says :angry: post no 35 Quote
Vanbursta Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 The best way i've found to diagnose a slipping clutch is to drive up quite a steep hill and floor the accelarator. The revs will probably shoot up to the redline without evening going 1mph faster (just like they would if the car was in neutral.) So what happens if you drive during the day? :angry: Quote
mumof4 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Posted October 20, 2006 Ok..you lot seem intent on the clutch..but what aboiut the lack of noise..what about the lack of power..is that clutch related?....the Gal is too quiet for a diesel!..its lost a noise.....theres summit missing..i don't know what..but it's not as noisy....its not as chuggy...theres something missing ...no power after the turbo lag..theres just..lag........like theres no pulling power..arrgghh..i cant describe it! Quote
El Dingo Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 Ok..you lot seem intent on the clutch..but what aboiut the lack of noise..what about the lack of power..is that clutch related?....the Gal is too quiet for a diesel!..its lost a noise.....theres summit missing..i don't know what..but it's not as noisy....its not as chuggy...theres something missing ...no power after the turbo lag..theres just..lag........like theres no pulling power..arrgghh..i cant describe it! Well now I'm stuffed. Maybe it's not the clutch! :D No power after the turbo lag... Hmmm. Maz, please put us out of our misery. Did you do the simple test we asked you to do? Then we can finally eliminate the clutch... (Post no. 1,354,839 about clutch - do a search!) :D Quote
mumof4 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Posted October 20, 2006 which test..i was asked to do so many!!! :D ..i did post in my original post what i posted in the post before this post. Quote
El Dingo Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 The best way i've found to diagnose a slipping clutch is to drive up quite a steep hill and floor the accelarator. The revs will probably shoot up to the redline without evening going 1mph faster (just like they would if the car was in neutral.) Try this one... Quote
anadin Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 i'd like to say clutch .... but turbo wastegate ? :D wasnt your maf working loose is it similar ? but worse, think you need another test drive Quote
mumof4 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Posted October 20, 2006 Yes..the maf worked loose..i tied it up..there is a thread and pic on here somewhere...it is similar..but it doesnt go away..the power is gone whereas before it was a noticeable drag then it pulled..now there is no pull...i put all this down before.... :D Quote
anadin Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 Yes..the maf worked loose..i tied it up..there is a thread and pic on here somewhere...it is similar..but it doesnt go away..the power is gone whereas before it was a noticeable drag then it pulled..now there is no pull...i put all this down before.... :D it could of blew the wastegate pipe off , causing loss of turbo, pemanent limp mode , but try the clutch test first Quote
mumof4 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Posted October 20, 2006 where is the wastegate pipe? Quote
Guest neil_wiles Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 Have a looksie at this old thread its got all the info in it already. Turbo Problems Quote
mumof4 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Posted October 20, 2006 pics are good..but one thing..what am i looking at?which pipes etc? Quote
baz69 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 dont know if the gal uses an intercooler , but i had probs on an escort turbo with one intercooler hose working loose and expanding under boost ,obviously no pressure and not alot of go, in my experience with clutches ive never had one just strt to slip like fine 1 min then slip the next ,always found it to be a bit more gradual, with change of biting point etc, usually with a pressure plate or thrust bearing failure you would tend to loose clutch and have problems engaging gear, and probably some mechanical noise, my advice to you maz is if you have a garage nearby take it there on sat morning and just ask somebody to test drive it and see what their opinion is from an "experts point of view" lol that way it will put your mind at rest one way or the other to wether its a major failure and expensive or some thing small and cheap, hope this helps, oh and by the way what does it matter if it takes 3 posts, 33posts or 333 posts to help another member out thats the idea of this site isnt it, i dont here any one moaning about 17 pages of the post " if you have nothing better to do 1 and 2 Quote
seatkid Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 lets face it.....mo4 should buy a new car.... :D Quote
El Dingo Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Have a looksie at this old thread its got all the info in it already. Turbo Problems Wow, that's stunning!Much better than the cut and paste I was trying to do with Maz on MSN... I've gone off clutch for now... :D Quote
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