Steve, I got the car via Drive the deal and managed to get 25% off list & options, I'd be surprised if the stealer had any bunce left to swallow the removal of the ford discounts, but who knows ?? :wacko: When I ordered it I was told by the broker that if the discount was changed (up or down :huh: ) in the final quarter this would change my price. However the confirmation paperwork from the dealer stated the original discounted price with no such caveats and when I was verbally told of the price increase they (again verbally) reverted to the original price a week later. There was talk of me paying for the car in full before the 30th September to secure the price (like I'd do that :) ), however I kept saying to the dealer that I was prepared to do this to secure the price, and when the increase came through I was told that I could not pay for the car as I did not have a production date and hence no way of securing a VIN number against the payment ?? Just as a side, on previous cars that I have bought new they have all said that the price I would pay would the manufacturers list price on delivery, and in one instance the cars stated delivery time spanned an annual price increase, which I had to pay. :angry2: