lol ..... You Guys :16: Yep, can see below the gaiter there is a metal ring around the botom of what may be the knob - hard to tell as can't see if this part is a continuation of the knob or just buts upto it. If it is and needs to be removed, how can I get the ring off - it looks fairly solid with no breaks? Just plier it off? Thanks, Glyn.