re Oilers, it's a involuntary reflex reaction with the Oil versus Petrol debate in defending Diesel, cos I expect a slagging off AND truth is known I DO reckon they're so much better and I've driven sorta everything. MPG for any 2.3 petrol? = always awful! More things: Water must run in my veins tho I like to think it's akin to real ale. I'd pay big bucks mostly not to use my sisters Porker 968, My wife was sick in it, harsh ride, service bills, fuel bills, insurance, cramped, grounding on local speed humps, speed cameras, looks of pure envy & hatred etc. Got a long bonnet though! All the go-faster striped lads just drool over it. One man's meat, personal choice etc. Now a 330D is THE absolute Dogs. Got to get a m/bike if'n you ever want to experience real speed anyway, only then is petrol acceptable by me! :blink: