Guys thanks for all the help looks like the best car i ever had is heading fir the great carpark in the sky, just been down to the garage with it driving very slowly, was told that the transmission has collapsed, and it would be beyond economical repair, i was beginning to suspect this would be the case, but i must mention the garage as they stayed around an hour after they closed because i couldn't get there in time, and did the diagnosis for free, that's what i call great customer relations, so if you are ever in staffordshire and near to Stone, call in to the Stonefield Garage, stonefield square, if you have any problems, hope i dont upset or offend anyone by saying that but i just thought they went the extra mile, and that goes for everyone in this forum also, you have all been a great help. Des