Next report, due to the fact that I realy need the car to transport my two dogs around I have rigged a temporary supply from the big red wire via a 5 Amp fuse to C7/7 now all working. I would still like to find the real fault so that I can do a propper repair, but at least I have the car to use for now. Thanks to everyone that gave their time to help me. PS found the splice in the passenger foot well area, seems that the wires are presure welded not just twisted, but not a good solution to the problem, how they got that past the German QA team beats me! Was OK so re-taped it. Brian