Brilliant, guess what I woke up to today? Plus constant honking from my 97R. I was totally baffled until I sat in the drivers seat and scratched my head, inadvertently touching the ceiling which dumped further water onto me! So I know its coming in from above me not the windscreen. Now I need to drag its carcass home and look at these scuttles and drain pipes. Deep joy and I was only remarking how well the old bus was doing 97R with 107K and feeling strong! If I dry the ECU out (my Central locking/Alarm has gone u/s) with a convection fan what is the likelihood of damage? Actually more importantly how do I get these out (are they under the drivers feet - thats were my new pond is) - I am to DIY and car mechanics what Herod was to childcare!! Ian