Hi Russ, thanks for the pictures, i think i now know what i will be doing on sunday, looks really good and is just where i wanted it to be. once i have done it i will post a few pics as well. what model is your nuvi, i have a 660 fm with the traffic update and was wondering as you also have a nuvi how you traffic reciever works. on mine when i get in the car i put on the sat nav and the wire on the window, after a few mins, sometime as long as ten, i get a signal from the traffic thing, ie: the led on the plug turns green, but after a short time it starts to go from green to orange, does yours do this or does it stay on green, thanks regards steve