Thanks for the reply Big Kev Sorry mate i'm refering to the position of the relays as per my dotty owners manual (seems to differ from others as when i open the relay box compartment it has printed everywhere Property of the Ford Motor Company) I was told when i bought her that it was a Demo Verhicle of some sort. Your right though relay No.18 (Grey box) is printed on it. (still wonder why it's listed as X contactor relay) But have just checked out the infamous relay No.30, although it was pulling in when turning the ignition I gave it a gentle push with a screwdriver to make sure it was making contact Hey presto she fired up, although when I released the driver the engine cut out, looks like this is the problem. Have to wait till Monday now (Dagenham Motors). I'll keep you informed. Kev