cheers for the info, I did the following: 1. Checked all fused, all showed ok, changed all still no luck, so moved there position, still no luck. 2. checked the wiring loom from front to back all ok. 3. checked the switch, Right side ok, but the gray with black was dead for the left side. 4. pulled out the panel but could get to nothing that i needed for testing 5. checked left side by applying a passover cable on the switch to the left side from the right this worked and all was fine. I have temporarily left a join between both the gray with black strip and the right side gray with a dark red strip this works but is not the best solution but at least i have lights on both sides. can you tell me : 1. Is there a relay that they go through? (Reason the eng who came out and was in there for start problem, turned out to be bad connection on battery with alarm system, was messing around with them, shorting from battery to a relay in the car to start it. but could he have damaged a relay? 2. where do the wires terminate, is there a wiring diagram anywhere as i dont have one, hayes dont have a book for 2002 year and my book is in french, i speak english so a little stuffed. any help would be great alternatively if this shorting across sides is temp ok, i will wait till i drive back to europe in a month and then get an engineer to look at it. thanks for the advise its realy helpfull. Jerry