Heater Takes To Long To Get Hot?

[Tazbandit]

hiya

didnt want to hijack davewill's thread but think i may have same kind of problem maybe?

ok its an 05 galaxy tdi 26 thousand on clock.

heater has never been brill when cold but heres the score .....

phew weeks back was driving when misses shouts pull over theres smoke in here. the smoke was comming up out of where the seat belt vanishes into the side piller.

called a mecanic i know who's great and comes to house.he pointed out the little box under side of passenger and said it was heater booster thing bt admited he didnt know much about them. he disconected it problem solved .... kind of.

i drive 12 miles to work thats all london town driving. engine takes about 5 miles or so to get to 90 degree running temp. but heat dont come outa vents till about 10 miles then its fine ...... 2 miles of wonderfull warmth hahahahaha.

im a div on tec stuff and see you talk about aux heaters and boosters. car not climate control but has air con.

had galaxy 8 months or so and never heard the jet engine blower under passenger side kick in.

 

rather than get you guys n gals posting all over again does it sound like same problem as davewills

and what parts should i get mecanic to check out?

 

thanks for any advise you can give

[NikpV]

ok its an 05 galaxy tdi 26 thousand on clock.

 

any reason while you're not hot footing it down to frauds for the warranty work ?, sounds like it needs a new glowplug ?

[Higs]

Daft question: do they all have a booster heater?

 

If they do I'm not at all sure mine was working when I got the car. As above it takes an age to get any hot air out. I've never heard a 'jet turbine' noise - is it subtle? could I miss it? And I've certainly never had it fill up with smoke.

 

If it does need fixing is this something the machanically inept can do or is it a garage job?

 

(feel free to point me at a previous thread - I did have a search but nothing quite answered my questions)

Edited January 28, 2007 by Higs

[NikpV]

click on the link to the faq in my signature and look at the first post in the list - will answer many of your questions <_>

[Dave-G]

hiya

didnt want to hijack davewill's thread but think i may have same kind of problem maybe?

ok its an 05 galaxy tdi 26 thousand on clock.

heater has never been brill when cold but heres the score .....

phew weeks back was driving when misses shouts pull over theres smoke in here. the smoke was comming up out of where the seat belt vanishes into the side piller.

called a mecanic i know who's great and comes to house.he pointed out the little box under side of passenger and said it was heater booster thing bt admited he didnt know much about them. he disconected it problem solved .... kind of.

i drive 12 miles to work thats all london town driving. engine takes about 5 miles or so to get to 90 degree running temp. but heat dont come outa vents till about 10 miles then its fine ...... 2 miles of wonderfull warmth hahahahaha.

im a div on tec stuff and see you talk about aux heaters and boosters. car not climate control but has air con.

had galaxy 8 months or so and never heard the jet engine blower under passenger side kick in.

 

rather than get you guys n gals posting all over again does it sound like same problem as davewills

and what parts should i get mecanic to check out?

 

thanks for any advise you can give

 

No disrespect to your mechanic friend, but I suspect he disconnected your parking distance sensor control box... which may have been faulty/flooded - Does your rear washer still produce water when you try to squirt it?

 

The booster heater is underneath the car - apart from a 'jet noise you will notice a small 'roar - similar to the roar you hear when your gas central heating boiler kicks in and the small exhast pipe from it gets too hot to touch while the fuel is burning.

Edited January 28, 2007 by Dave-G

[NikpV]

hiya

box under side of passenger and said it was heater booster thing bt admited he didnt know much about them. he disconected it problem solved

 

No disrespect to your mechanic friend, but I suspect he disconnected your parking distance sensor control box...

 

 

umm I have to say that I read it as under the car ... besides if disconnecting the parking sensor box under the passenger seat stopped the smokin I would be quite worried :16:

[Dave-G]

Hmm - I'll admit on re-reading the 'underside bit I may have missunderstood... partially due to the previous mention of smoke in here/coming out/seat belt/side pillar/little box etc.

 

Darn this disliyexxia :16:

Edited January 28, 2007 by Dave-G

[Tazbandit]

no probs Dave-g i do have trouble explaining things so im just as bad :16:

 

as to being on 05 plate i checked paperwork and as far as i can see it only has one year warranty in service book so thats finished ( you got me hopes up there hahahahaha )

well theres a few things there to get mecanic to check over, he does a fantastic job this is the first time he found somit he dont know about....thats one cuppa tea less for him hahaha

 

as per norm great replies from all thankyou

[Dave-G]

What page are you looking at Taz? I think you'll find all UK sourced cars have a 3 yr warranty, the last bein a slightly less encompassing one from Ford UK - European ones are the standard Ford manufacturers two years. Edited January 28, 2007 by Dave-G

[Higs]

... I suspect he disconnected your parking distance sensor control box... which may have been faulty/flooded - Does your rear washer still produce water when you try to squirt it?

...

(slight hijack) Can I ask what the significance of the above is? The reason I ask is that my rear washer doesn't squirt. There's nothing wrong with the rear parking sensors though (and what's the link between parking sensors and washer's squirting anyway???)

 

right I'm off to look at Nick's FAQs before I get sent there anyway!

[Guest wolfie]

... I suspect he disconnected your parking distance sensor control box... which may have been faulty/flooded - Does your rear washer still produce water when you try to squirt it?

...

(slight hijack) Can I ask what the significance of the above is? The reason I ask is that my rear washer doesn't squirt. There's nothing wrong with the rear parking sensors though (and what's the link between parking sensors and washer's squirting anyway???)

 

right I'm off to look at Nick's FAQs before I get sent there anyway!

 

the parking sensor control box is under the front passenger seat, if the rear washer jet pipe splits at the joint thats placed strategically along side this point! the leaking washer fluid travels unseen under the carpet and into the space inhabited by the sensor box!

[Dave-G]

Wolfie is correct. The washer bottle will dump its contents as the separated pipe siphons it to the front passenger footwell - which in turn flows into the space below the seat.

 

I have checked my 'service portfolio' it seems Ford motor company are still using old stock

 

See here for the 'classic warranty:

 

ford warranty configurater

 

Open the configurator and look for the bottom line in the left hand column (terms and conditions)

 

then make that call :16:

Edited January 28, 2007 by Dave-G

[Tazbandit]

dave-g top marks that man

i will be taking car to fords on thursday me day off and see what they got to say on the matter

if this gets sorted i will post you up a large drink :16:

[Tazbandit]

hiya all

update on heater ......

galaxy now with ford i rang them today to be told it will be ready tomorrow evening.

there putting in new thermostat and glow plug , that dont explain smoke from heater under passengers side seat belt under car. hhhhhmmmmmmmmm we will see.

 

hay i got a courtasy car its a ford KA

im 6ft 6 hahahahahahahahaha its fun to say the least, like being at a fair ground in a dodgem car.

[Dave-G]

Taz - That box under the car has a glow plug in it to burn diesel - which initially warms up the cooling water in your engine till it's hot enough to produce sufficient heat to warm the cabin. The smoke is the exhaust of incorrectly burnt diesel emitting from it.

 

More to the point - have you now established you have a 3 year warranty?

[tim-spam]

The most important bit of this whole thing appears to have been missed:

How on earth is the smoke getting into the car??

It shouldn't, under any circumstances, be doing this!!

This could mean that, even when the heater is working without smoking, exhaust fumes could be entering the car. The fortunate thing is that even without smoke, the exhaust fumes smell, so should you get a strong exhaust smell inside the car when you get it back, you should insist that this problem is sorted out.

[Dave-G]

The most important bit of this whole thing appears to have been missed:

How on earth is the smoke getting into the car??

It shouldn't, under any circumstances, be doing this!!

This could mean that, even when the heater is working without smoking, exhaust fumes could be entering the car. The fortunate thing is that even without smoke, the exhaust fumes smell, so should you get a strong exhaust smell inside the car when you get it back, you should insist that this problem is sorted out.

 

That's the bit that lead to all the confusion - I think we've missunderstood what he said his wife said?...on the sea shore :16:

[tim-spam]

the smoke was comming up out of where the seat belt vanishes into the side piller.

Sound like inside the car to me - maybe Tazbandit could clarify.

[Tazbandit]

hiya Dave-g

i checked with ford and yes it has 3 years warranty , you just after that free drink aint you hahahahaha.

well it went in monday morning parts ordered ...... and hay bingo its not ready till tomorrow now grrrrrrr another night going to work in the cramped ford KA.

but look on the bright side i been told that warranty does cover this fault so no charge ........

just gotta find a waterproof envelope to post drink off to dave :mellow:

[Dave-G]

No worries about the drink my friend - but could you clear up something for us please?... where was the smoke entering the car from?

 

Anyway - 6'6" tall? It's just as well your Galaxy is a recent one. I have noted the extended seat rake available from a revised mounting/rail. I had to jack the drivers seat up on spacers in order to get comfy with my long legs on the older models. The extra height allowed me to use it in the low position to get far enough away from the pedals. I have done it on the my latest one too - but now dont need it fully extended.

[Tazbandit]

sorry chaps just caught the bit about the confusion of smoke.

yes smoke was entering car via where the seat belt comes out of the side pillar on passengers side. so i take it there is a drain hole under the car in that area. well i hope its a drain hole and nothing more iffy.

does this explain it better?

heck i thought i had height problems. with seat fully back at at lowest setting its fine for me

[Dave-G]

Well interestingly I've noted another wee little difference on my 05/05 reg to the older 3 I've had...

 

The exhaust from the AUX heater faces forwards... which IIRC would place it's outlet somewhere in the area beneath the front passenger seat... where there is at least one rather large drain plug! slide that seat forwards and have a gander will you?

 

I recall the air inlet for the heater is via a similar size pipe - drawing (clean) air from the nearside box section/sill ... if the burner is emitting smoke its feasible that some of that smoke may pass though that pipe into the sill and find its way into the cabin. This is unlikely though considering all the other incidents of faulty heater do not report this aspect.

 

"heck i thought i had height problems. with seat fully back at at lowest setting its fine for me"... It would be now - but that is a 4" or so recent improvement in rake with a higher seat.

Edited February 7, 2007 by Dave-G

[Tazbandit]

well dave i looked under passenger seat and cant see a hole. mind you its all carpeted up there. just a flap i lifted under seat theres a black electrically box there.

 

heater seems better but still not brilliant. but i can now here the little jet sonding engine under car so thats now working. they put new glow plug and a thermostate on it. cheeky gits tried to charge me

[Guest MartinCh]

hiya

didnt want to hijack davewill's thread but think i may have same kind of problem maybe?

ok its an 05 galaxy tdi 26 thousand on clock.

heater has never been brill when cold but heres the score .....

phew weeks back was driving when misses shouts pull over theres smoke in here. the smoke was comming up out of where the seat belt vanishes into the side piller.

called a mecanic i know who's great and comes to house.he pointed out the little box under side of passenger and said it was heater booster thing bt admited he didnt know much about them. he disconected it problem solved .... kind of.

i drive 12 miles to work thats all london town driving. engine takes about 5 miles or so to get to 90 degree running temp. but heat dont come outa vents till about 10 miles then its fine ...... 2 miles of wonderfull warmth hahahahaha.

im a div on tec stuff and see you talk about aux heaters and boosters. car not climate control but has air con.

had galaxy 8 months or so and never heard the jet engine blower under passenger side kick in.

 

rather than get you guys n gals posting all over again does it sound like same problem as davewills

and what parts should i get mecanic to check out?

 

thanks for any advise you can give

 

Hi

 

I have exactly the same problem on my car. Smoke coming into car from passenger seat belt slot. Thick black stuff that smeels like a kerosene lamp. Occurs from cold start when weather cold and seems to happen between 15 and 25 minutes after start when engine reaches normal temp. Car only 10 months old with 12K. Just got it back after 2 weeks in dealers. No fault found and unable to make it happen. They say that unless they can make it fault they can't fix it as Ford will not pay them under warranty. They accept it is probably a fault with the aux heater but their tests are all clean. Happened 5 times more since I got it back. Gone into a different dealer today so will see what happens. Told them to keep it till they fix it. That smoke must be bad for you. Any advice appreciated.